Oncologist vs. Surgeon
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October 29, 2010 at 3:15 pm #42546lainySpectator
Diane, that sounds like a great start. If you use our search engine at the top of the page and type in Moffett Ctr or Dr. Kim you may find some posts on other people who went there. Good work, girl!
October 29, 2010 at 3:09 pm #42545dianne-nSpectatorMargaret, Lainy, Bob and all: I took your advice (thank you!) and have an appointment in a couple of weeks to see an oncologist at the Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, FL. Wonder if anyone has gone there to see Dr. R. Kim? Getting care in two locations, Rochester, MN and Tampa, probably isn’t too good, but I’ll switch to an oncologist at Mayo in Rochester if necessary. I have been reading other people’s posts and am a bit surprised (and saddened) that even when the cancer hasn’t returned, there can still be lots of other issues, ie. scarring, infection, etc, that can cause major problems. I guess we just deal with this one day at a time…and in the best way we can.
Val, the interdisciplinary approach sounds like a great idea. Wonder if my surgeon talks to the hepatologist and radiologists? Linda, do you know who you will be seeing at Mayo? Best wishes to you there – it is a wonderful facility!
I feel like I am getting to know a lot of you by reading your posts…your courage, strength, and – yes -even sense of humor sure helps me. My best wishes to you all.
Dianne
October 24, 2010 at 3:11 pm #42544linda-zSpectatorDianne,
Sorry I’ve been “away” from the board for a while and as many know it takes a long time to get caught up on everything.I had surgery Apr 09, with clear margins around surgery and lymph nodes. I DID have lymph node involvement however. My surgeon told me “they usually don’t do chemo in this type of cancer”. His words! I met with an Onc. who recommended chemo “as a precaution” as to “better say that we did rather than to wish that we had” kind of thing. My first CTs were cancer free….the next set showed metastasis and return of tumors. I didn’t see the Radiation oncologist until after the metastasis showed up, and then HE asked ME “why wasn’t radiation done after surgery?”
After gaining much knowledge on this board, I have learned to ask tons of questions and do everything that you can and that is available, as the onc. more-or-less, better safe than sorry. Even though he didn’t go far enough in his thinking for me.
Good luck, and keep posting your progress. I will be going to Mayo Rochester soon too. I look forward to a new opinion.
Linda
October 19, 2010 at 2:26 pm #42543valjeeMemberHi Dianne,
I think here the gradings go from 0 to 4, 4 being stage IV as often described on here. To the best of my knowledge T2 in my case meant the tumour was still very localised, there was nerve involvement & spread only into the body of the duct but no spread anywhere else, hence the N0 bit.We all have GP’s here who look after you on a day to day basis, do regular blood tests etc & are (usually) kept informed by the hospital docs.
Mutlidisiplinary teams from any related discipline are the thing here, so even if we don’t actually see some of the people they’re all involved in discussions on a regular basis.
I think this is so there’s no overlapping & in theory all the departments you could be involved with are kept up to date.
In my case I know the hepatologists join in even though I don’t see them regularly. When I went for the drain change one of them came looking for me to find out how I was doing after seeing my name on the admissions board which I thought was really nice.
I’ve been told by the nurse specialist that all the radiologists know me intimately – I pointed out it was likely they knew my insides well but not the rest of me! Although who knows who’s there when under the influence!
I don’t think I’d ever feel ‘safe’ without some investigations regularly, even if in time that was just bloods. Think I’ll be on the CT scan list for a while yet after all the scar tissue biz.
What fun we all have…… Val xOctober 19, 2010 at 1:05 am #42542lainySpectatorDianne, may I ask why you don’t want the visits to see an Oncologist? He is the main Doctor in charge of your life with CC. He will watch you like a hawk so that if anything does return you catch it immediately. He is the one who will order tests, LABS, chemo if needed and generally be the one to help you make decisions. Actually most of us have a “team”. Our GP, ONC, Surgeon, Radiologist and if needed a Gastro guy. All stay in the loop and receive all test results and then if the occasion arises they can come together to agree on a game plan. There is no better feeling than to have the ‘right’ team behind you.
October 18, 2010 at 11:52 pm #42541dianne-nSpectatorHello all, and thanks for your input! I went to my internist today because of my back pain and he wanted a CT scan and bloodwork which were all “normal” – made my day. I haven’t contacted my surgeon at Mayo yet about a consult with an oncologist, but will. Val, after I saw your “T2N0” histology I looked over my records and only see that the surgeon called it “grade 3 (of 4) adinocarcinoma.” Not sure if that gives the same information as the T-N system? (I’ll bet if I read more of the information on this website I could answer that question….there are many questions I didn’t know to ask until reading this board.) Bob, sorry to hear you are still having problems after 13 years. Is scar tissue the culprit in the blockages? I wonder … is there anyone with a CC diagnosis who has been able to go back to leading a life without 6-month trips to their surgeon or oncologist?
Best wishes to you all…DianneOctober 18, 2010 at 5:56 pm #4254032coupeSpectatorDianne,
Yes, I’m still seeing my Onc. – well what was supposed to be every six months. But this last year, I’ve seen him way more times than I like to think about due to duct blockages and infections. CC seems to be the disease that ‘keeps on taking’. We think we have that worked out now and we can go back to “routinely”.And Lainy my dear, you can call me anything you want without apology. “32” huh? It must be that full head of hair – don’t you think?
Love, Grace and Peace to the CC familly…
bob
October 18, 2010 at 8:06 am #42539lalupesSpectatorHello from me, too, Diane!! I can’t really add to what the others have said, so I’ll just chip in & say Hello & Welcome to the “family”.
Julia
October 17, 2010 at 10:42 pm #42538valjeeMemberHi Dianne & welcome to the site from me as well. I thought I’d throw in my twopenneth for what it’s worth as we seem to have a similar situation. I’m 50 by the way.
CC was initially suspected with me back in Dec 08 but not finally diagnosed until May 09 after surgery when the blockage in my bile duct turned out to be a stricture but there was a tumour found in the cystic duct.
I had a resection of the bile duct plus a Roux en Y.
The tumour was T2 N0 & I’ve had no radiotherapy or chemo as this was judged to be unnecessary with the result of the histology.
I’ve queried this with the surgeons, who I see (unfortunatley I’ve had problems this year with scar tissue resulting from last year’s surgery- no evidence of tumour recurrence to this date) & have 6 monthly CT scans. As I’ve also now had a PTC plus CT scan plus more surgery I can only think the docs would’ve found anything nasty lurking.As I understand things, some folk have chemo & the tumour recurs, some folk don’t have chemo & stay clear.
So, it’s a bit of a toss up. I think the answer is to get any info you can & then try to reconcile yourself to whatever you (& docs) decide is right for you.
There’s no guarantee with anything in this life, we may all get hit by ice falling off an aircraft or some other less freaky accident – we may get a recurrence & have to be treated, we may not.
I was told to just get out there & get on with my life, which I think is pretty good advice. Worrying about it all won’t help but I, as with everyone else on these boards will know that is easier said than done.
I’ve found there are times I cannot bring myself to read some of the posts as I start thinking about what could have/might/could still happen and for me that’s not healthy!
Good luck with your investigations, the support you will get form everyone on this site is brilliant, only the best people get affected by this disease!
Best Wishes, ValOctober 17, 2010 at 2:08 pm #42537dianne-nSpectatorThanks much for your response, Bob. And congratulations on being a 13 year survivor! Are you still seeing your doctors routinely? I agree that I just need to lead my life and not dwell on how much more of it I may have…that doesn’t do me or anyone else any good! Lainy, I looked up the photo of you and Teddy…nice to put faces with your names. It must be very difficult for you now dealing with your own cancer and being the caretaker to Teddy. I’m sure it helps being surrounded with support on this website. My thoughts are with you too.
DianneOctober 17, 2010 at 12:53 pm #42536lainySpectatorBob, so very sorry, I called you Bob32 instead of 32coupe just above!!! I must have been thinking of your age!!!
October 17, 2010 at 7:19 am #4253532coupeSpectatorHi Dianne,
I am a thirteen year survivor. I made a deal with my Onc. that I was going to go out of the door and just live my life, not knowing if each summer that came along would be my last; or the next Christmas; or our next anniversary and so on. Six months after surgery, I couldn’t know if I had six more months or six more years or… thirteen years. We don’t know in any case – God alone knows (and He aint’t tellin’). So I made a decision to do things I enjoyed doing with people I enjoyed. Now if remodeling the house would bring the two of you joy, by all means – remodel the house. I remodeled a house; rebuilt a car; bought a big old wood boat to mess about with (and ended up moving aboard) and found ways to help with short term mission projects in a few desperate third world locations and all of this brought me joy. Time is indeed precious but until we face a life threatening illness we act like we have an unlimited supply of it. And even if you are in the best of health, there is no way of knowing “how much more of it you will have”.Grace and Peace,
bobOctober 16, 2010 at 3:33 pm #42534lainySpectatorHi Linda. Yes Teddy was totally clean after his Whipple. Those who have Whipples (Cancer is mainly in the bile duct and has not gone to the liver) are treated different than those who have the CC start in the liver. Teddy’s CC never reached his liver. When the CC returned, it returned to where his Duodenum used to be. He had NO symptoms, it just showed up on his PET Scan. Fortunately it was ‘zapped’ with Cyber Knife. He was told by 5 doctors that Chemo would not help for the way he had CC. On the other hand we have many who have successfully completed Chemo. It seems that anything related to CC requires huge decisions and the only thing we know for sure is that we are playing a guessing game. I have learned to listen to my gut feelings and it has carried us through these 5 years. The best is to read up as much as you can. Especially on our site here under older posts.
On our site here we are all courageous survivors no matter for how long but we do have some who have done Miracously well. There is Bob32 who is in his 13th year and our beloved JeffG went 10 years. Teddy 5, and others that I just don’t recall with my old brain right now. That would be a great listing if someone could post some of our survivors who are over 5 years.
The reason survival is mininal is not so much the disease itself but the fact it never shows up until it’s almost too late for treatment. This is why you have been getting respones to see another Oncologist.
RE: House remodeling? That is up to you however, remember one thing, as long as you breathe you are still living, so live it to the fullest.October 16, 2010 at 3:18 pm #42533jim-wildeMemberDianne, I too had a left hepatic lobe resection done 4/09. The margins were clear, but the path report mentioned some aggressive tissue was removed. The surgeon initially recommended no further treatment, but my cardiologist wanted me to see an oncologist. She recommended six months of Gemzar, and the surgeon agreed after discussion. Her reasoning was that some of the bad material may have gotten into blood, etc. during surgery. In her view, it was too risky to not do something, although there’s not that much data on CC and chemo agent effectiveness.
I wish you well.
October 16, 2010 at 2:57 pm #42532dianne-nSpectatorLainy, I am very sorry to hear that Teddy requires Hospice now. Could I ask if his lymph nodes were negative when he had his surgery and what his symptoms were when the cancer recurred? Both my hepatologist and my surgeon at Mayo in Rochester told me chemo and radiation are not proven effective for treatment of CC, so I guess that is why I didn’t question not seeing an oncologist until I went on this site. Thank you for clarifying the member status – I assume it is explained in some area of the website which I have not seen. I have been looking for good news on this site – for any CC survivors of 5 or even 10 years? Do you know if there are any? It’s hard to plan your life when you really don’t know how much more of it you will have. My husband and I were going to remodel our house, but don’t want to spend precious time doing that if the future isn’t that long. I don’t consider what you do selfish at all – you are helping others – and me – so much! Wish we could all get together and talk in person! And I’m definitely going to call Mayo on Monday.
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