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    Good for you Julie. My cousin, and friend was just diagnosed with this nasty disease right before Christmas. She was to have a Whipple procedure. The surgeon decided not to proceed with surgery. They found a tumor in her liver. She is to start chemo next week. We are hanging on to hope. That is all we can do. God Bless you, and best of luck.

    #91262
    marions
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    Grsharp…..most cancer centers include in house testing for some mutations, but Foundation One as well as other labs perform larger sequencing. Speak with the doctor prior to open surgery as he/she would have to initiate the request with Foundation One if that is the lab of your choice.
    Hugs,
    Marion

    #91261
    grsharp
    Member

    Julie, your unexpected prognosis is encouraging to all of us
    I had not heard of Foundation One. This makes me wonder what questions I need to ask my wife’s doctor about genetic testing as well as other test that might not be normally performed at Vanderbilt. Any suggestions?
    Her open liver biopsy is scheduled for Monday. (Six other attempts have all falied…all came back negative.)

    Grsharp

    #91260
    iowagirl
    Member

    Marion,

    I did not know about the 50-Gene panel test, but if it was an option, I am thinking it may have been because I told them I wanted it sent to Foundation One and that they did not feel it was warranted to do at this time. I will ask about it next time I go to Mayo in several months and see if I can glean any info. Thanks for the head’s up.

    The new tumor is still at Mayo of course, preserved in a paraffin base, which is acceptable to Foundation One and probably to Mayo also, so I can still have it run if I want to do that.

    Foundation One is still more extensive than the 50 gene panel test though, right?

    We had talked prior to surgery about possibly putting the tissue into a study they were doing in which it would be analyzed for mutation in house ,but that fell through, the day of surgery. It would have been a pretty neat study to be part of…..my only part being donating the tissue. I will share what little else I know privately about this if you are interested.

    Julie

    #91259
    marions
    Moderator

    Julie….kudos on your report. I am curious about Mayo Clinical newly launched 50-Gene Cancer Panel Test and wonder why this did not apply to your case. They have the tissue, why not run the test?

    Hugs
    Marion

    #91258
    debnorcal
    Moderator

    Good for you, Julie. That’s an awesome attitude!

    Enjoy those grandsons – you are so lucky

    #91257
    lainy
    Spectator

    Julie & Deb, I also like “guarded optimism” and the other one, “realistically optimistic”. So true about anything in life. And again, life is for the living.

    #91256
    iowagirl
    Member

    Debra,

    Yes…that’s an excellent choice of words…”guarded optimism”. Thank you. Words sometimes escape me…one of the issues with chemo, I’ve had. I think that Mayo would agree with that choice of words also. THEY want to follow me very closely, so we’re all good with that. The one other thing I also failed to mention, is that Mayo never sugar coats anything, so for them to even be this positive, gives me reason to try to think the prognosis really is possible. That said…..they are “practicing medicine”, right? LOL. I won’t be terribly surprised if another tumor pops up…..it’s that guarded optimism. But I “want” to believe that they are right.

    In the grand scheme of things, I may have 30 years (mother’s side has super longevity) or I could get run over by a bus tomorrow. I’m going to try to find something in each and every day to enjoy in the meantime. Right now, we have two very sweet little grandsons to keep us occupied and put smiles on our faces.

    And…how many more days until spring?

    #91255
    debnorcal
    Moderator

    Julie,

    I can certainly understand how you seem to be accepting the new prognosis
    with guarded optimism, as this disease doesn’t usually go in a positive trajectory. However, the doctors gave you solid reasons for their assumptions. I think you are wise to continue to insist on frequent follow up scans. Even if recurrence is unlikely, it’s always better to catch it early. For now, though, I hope you can release any worry and enjoy the beautiful life ahead of you.

    #91254
    iowagirl
    Member

    Kris, As much as they appear to believe their prognosis, they want to follow me very carefully with scans three months apart and for how long, I don’t know. I am the eternal pessimist, I think….at least where this stuff is concerned. So, I am not going to agree to lengthening out the appts or stopping them for some time to come. We found this one early enough because I refused to lengthen the time between scans by more than a month….and even then, it was quite a while after the oncologist mentioned it. I realize the reason for lengthening them out……the increasing load of radiation from the CTs puts us at risk of other cancer.

    One other thing that was mentioned by one oncologist was that I would not “exactly” reset ….it won’t be like starting all over again because it is so far out from the first CC surgery and thinking about this 2nd surgery as more of a “mop up” (my words) operation.

    Catherine, ….Wish I didn’t have to go through it either…..I wish none of us had to go through this nightmare. It robs so much from so many, patients, family and friends.

    Jullie

    #91253
    darla
    Spectator

    Julie,

    I am so happy for you. Thanks for sharing and yes, I feel it will give hope to others. Good news is always welcome. Go out there and enjoy this good life you have been given. :)

    Hugs,
    Darla

    #91252
    middlesister1
    Moderator

    Julie-

    I love the wonderful prognosis- and from multiple doctors too! So very happy for you (but still so sorry you have to go through the yuck to get the good news).

    Take care,
    Catherine

    #91251
    kris00j
    Spectator

    Julie,
    For my own comfort I would still want regular appts., at least for the usual 3 years or whatever it is.
    But great news if they all concur!! Maybe you really DO get the brass ring on this merry go round. Wouldn’t that be great?

    #12050
    iowagirl
    Member

    History: Feb 28, 2014….Mayo Clinic at Rochester, MN, …. Resection of segments B and C of my left liver lobe for a 5 c.m. Intrahepatic tumor and one 5 mm tumor. Staged at T2B due to the 2nd smaller tumor found during surgery. Followed that with 6 rounds of Gem/Cis…last round was with less concentration due to severe side effects of chemo causing hemoglobin of 7.0 and neuropathy in feet.

    Followup: CT scans with contrast every three months at Mayo Clinic until 2015 when we switched to Ct scan without contrast for my lungs and an MRI with contrast of my abdomen and pelvis. This was done because of potential problems of allergic reactions to the specific CT contrast.

    Nov 2015 (20 months from initial resection) the MRI showed a 1.5 cm new tumor had developed in the very outer most corner of section 4a of the left lobe, adjacent to the resection line. My oncologist had a surgical consult set up for me before I ever entered the exam room.

    Dec 7th, 2015: Wedge Resection of new tumor. Intra-abdominal ultrasound did not reveal any further tumors. (Note that 5 mm is about as small as can be seen with any certainty).

    Jan 7th, 2015: Post op check up with the surgeon and new oncologist (previous oncologist has left to go into private practice in Minnesapolis).
    The unexpected part of both my meeting with the surgeon and my oncologist, is that both of them, independently, indicated that they did not expect my cancer to return. The surgeon even said something to the effect, “Don’t take this the wrong way, but I don’t expect to see you again.”

    Now WHY after I had one recurrence did they both say this? Actually, my previous oncologist who found this recurrence also indicated something similar.

    Here is the explanation, as best as I can take what they told me and tell it to you.
    1. It had been 20 months since my first resection before recurrence, which is a long time for this cancer, which indicates a cancer of this type that isn’t very aggressive in growth rate.
    2. The tumor probably grew from a small cell that escaped during the first resection, (I surmise this is because it was so close to the resection line…literally hugging it)
    3. It isn’t all that uncommon to find a single stray cell escape during surgery….and no others (answer to my question when I asked why they didn’t expect to see others pop up….what were the chances there was just “one” stray cell). The onc said it happens quite frequently.
    4. When I was told that this cancer doesn’t just sit there for years and then suddenly reappear, I asked then what about people I knew who had it return at year 3, 4. Or 5 after resection. The answer was that they probably had an underlying risk factor that caused a new tumor/cancer to form. In my case, they believe due to where it was located at the very least, it was a stray cell….and, I don’t have any of the known , definitive risk factors to grow a new tumor.
    5. IF there were more cells, they said that they would have expected to see them before this, or at least at the same time as this last tumor, but as of the ultrasound done laproscopically during my last surgery, there were none visible. (5 mm or larger)

    In a nutshell, at the very least, they feel that it is unlikely that I will have another recurrence, but if I do and it is one tumor again, they will deal with it in the best possible way, including another resection being on the table. If more than one tumor pops up at the same time again in the liver, they will again address it and at that time, send tissue to Foundation ONe. All that aside, my particular situation appears to be different and there is hope yet for a cure, even with the recurrence.

    I could have had this tumor sent to Foundation one for mutation analysis, but a couple of the doctors have discouraged that for now….and, it does make “some” sense to me and my husband. In my case, there was nothing to treat once the tumors were removed. Again with the 2nd resection just done, there was nothing there to treat. Since mutations could develop over time, and we’d want to get any new tumor surgically removed, it makes sense to wait and see if this really continues to recur or not. There was some discussion that if several recurred at the same time, we would definitely send in a sample for DNA analysis with Foundation ONe. Right now, I can always change my mind and have this 2nd tumor analyzed, because it is preserved in paraffin at Mayo, which is acceptable to Foundation One.

    So, for now, I am still recovering from the last surgery in December and looking forward to the future. The questions still in my mind are mainly that maybe this tumor didn’t act as aggressively….grow as fast….because of the adjuvant chemo (Gem/Cis) that I did after the first resection, that it beat it down for a while. I don’t know whether that really makes a bit of difference to the doctors though, as they all know I had chemo and they all said virtually the same thing to me about my prognosis.

    It’s very hard to make a 180 degree turn from thinking that a recurrence means a slippery slope into more chemo or treatments, to thinking in terms of a possible cure. The whole family is starting to digest this news. Yes, it is fantastic news if things go as predicted. I owe it all to my fabulous GP, who put 2 and 2 together and ordered that CT back in Jan of 2014 of three of my pelvic organs. Heck, I owe where I am right now to her…..being alive and a chance for not just life, but “good” life.

    I realize that some here on the boards will read this and feel envious, or sad that they aren’t currently being given good news. Our cancer situations are all so unique, but It’s my own personal reason for sharing my story is that it may give others hope who have had the good fortune to have their CC. diagnosed earlier than usual. It doesn’t mean that it’s over at the first surgery, but stick with it. It had been suggested that I move to scans every 6 months during the 2nd year and I refused and said no more than 4 months. That kept this last tumor from becoming bigger and maybe growing through the wall of the liver.

    Julie T.

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