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May 11, 2013 at 2:42 am #71744tiff1496Membermarions wrote:Additional information
Appears that physicians within certain institutions set their own criteria by loosely following the criteria for Hepatocellular cancer transplants.
It is a team effort including transplant surgeons. Patients are evaluated on a case by case basis. Criteria include positive response to therapy and non-rapid disease progression.
So, it appears that each case is different and each patient is decided on individually.
Hugs,
MarionI agree with this Marion! I was talking to Methodist, and they told me they had a woman with intrahepatic CC, and she had been turned down for transplant at 3 centers. She went there with no hope. The agreed to list her for an extended donor. 3 years later, she is still doing very well, and cancer free!
They also do SO much testing there, I went through it all. If you don’t pass a test, you don’t get listed.May 11, 2013 at 2:35 am #71743tiff1496Memberdmj4ctj wrote:I am SO excited for you Tiffany!! I’m really glad they’ve expanded the criteria so that more people have a chance of beating this disease. BTW, whatever happened to the option of a living donor transplant?
DianneThank you!!!
My surgon believes I would do better with a whole liver, and said living donor wasn’t really for me.May 10, 2013 at 5:51 pm #71742marionsModeratorAdditional information
Appears that physicians within certain institutions set their own criteria by loosely following the criteria for Hepatocellular cancer transplants.
It is a team effort including transplant surgeons. Patients are evaluated on a case by case basis. Criteria include positive response to therapy and non-rapid disease progression.
So, it appears that each case is different and each patient is decided on individually.
Hugs,
MarionMay 10, 2013 at 4:17 pm #71741dmj4ctjMemberI am SO excited for you Tiffany!! I’m really glad they’ve expanded the criteria so that more people have a chance of beating this disease. BTW, whatever happened to the option of a living donor transplant?
DianneMay 10, 2013 at 2:49 pm #71740tiff1496Memberdmj4ctj wrote:This discussion is fascinating to me and I have a question. I understand why a liver transplant is not an option when the CC has metastisized outside the liver, but why not do one for cancer that appears to be completely contained in the liver as in ICC with mets to liver?From what I know, some places will consider a transplant if it is completely contained to the liver.
When I first learned I have CC I had mets in the left and right lobes. Thankfully chemo has cleaned it all up, and now I might be getting a new liver any day!May 10, 2013 at 1:26 pm #71739dmj4ctjMemberThis discussion is fascinating to me and I have a question. I understand why a liver transplant is not an option when the CC has metastisized outside the liver, but why not do one for cancer that appears to be completely contained in the liver as in ICC with mets to liver?
May 10, 2013 at 1:11 pm #71738gavinModeratorThanks of course to Helen and AMMF for the above links.
May 10, 2013 at 1:11 pm #71737gavinModeratorLiver transplantation for CC in the UK – where are we?
Liver transplantation for bile duct cancer Dr Christopher A Wadsworth –
http://www.ammf.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Transplant-Mayo-Report.pdf
May 10, 2013 at 3:01 am #71736marionsModeratorLisa….When I spoke with Dr. Javle (last year at ASCO) he mentioned liver transplantations for intrahepatic CC patients. I in turn told him that Medicare in Texas will cover only extrahepatic patients and, as we know, Medicare pretty much sets the standard for Insurance reimbursement.
My concern was the shortages of liver donations and the high demand for such a transplant- he felt it was possible to do with liver from older patients, but we did not talk about a liver transplant such as the one Tiff is to receive. The criteria for Tiff’s acceptance then must vary from the original Mayo protocol because; as far as I know, the Mayo protocol does not include intrahepatic CC patients.
I will try to bring back some information when speaking with some of the specialists while attending ASCO this year.
Also I am curious to see as to what the exclusion criteria entails?
Will try to find out. If anyone else has some answers please, share with us.
Hugs,
MarionMay 10, 2013 at 2:38 am #71735lisacraineSpectatorMarion,
I am wondering if some of the exclusions have changed. I was originally told by Mayo clinic that they do not do transplants for ICC but look at Tiffany. Do you think more hospitals are looking at this as a treatment for CC?
LisaMay 9, 2013 at 1:15 pm #71734gavinModeratorI hope that your MIL’s chemo goes well for her Rose and remember to keep us posted on how everything goes for her. And great to hear as well that her team at Iowa are going to look at her again re possible surgery after some chemo. Fingers are crossed for some great news here!
That’s a pretty hefty exclusion list isn’t it Marion! But at least you guys in the US have the possiblility of transplant for CC as a treatment option. Here in the UK it is not done at all for CC and as far as I know it is not even up for consideration yet. I know that a small team from King’s in London I think it was were over at Mayo lately observing the Mayo team and protocol at work but who knows what if anything will come from that. And I recall someone from Dublin telling me that they had a transplant as well but not sure about the rest of Europe.
Hugs to you both,
Gavin
May 9, 2013 at 6:21 am #71733marionsModeratorrosegrace…..Not many places perform liver transplantation for patients with this disease. The exclusion criteria is quite extensive:
Spread of cancer (metastases) to the liver, lymph nodes, or any other part of the body
Cholangiocarcinoma in an area of the bile duct inside the liver or below the cystic duct
Prior attempt at removal by surgery (this increases the chance the tumor may spread if it is not completely removed)
Tumors that are >3cm in diameter when measured on CT or MRI
Previous treatment with chemotherapy or radiation therapy
Prior needle biopsy, either through the skin or by endoscopy, of the main tumor (this increases the risk for spread of the tumor outside of the bile duct). Lymph nodes surrounding the bile duct may be biopsied to ensure the tumor has not spread.
Uncontrolled infection
Additionally, some physicians believe that a resection is safer than a transplant due to the repressed immune system caused by anti-rejection medications.
The above is the University of Michigan liver transplant protocol – not sure how it differs from the current Mayo protocol.
Others may enlighten us with some of their thoughts.Gavin posted this. I appears that different centers have different criteria:
http://www.newswise.com/articles/university-of-maryland-surgeons-perform-liver-transplant-for-bile-duct-cancer?ret=/articles/list&category=medicine&page=1&search%5Bstatus%5D=3&search%5Bsort%5D=date+desc&search%5Bsection%5D=10&search%5Bhas_multimedia%5D=Hugs
MarionMay 9, 2013 at 1:09 am #8343rosegraceMemberMy MIL has started chemo, she just finished her first 2 weeks of Gem/Cis. So far no side effects. She is also going to have a port placed. Good news, the surgery team at U of Iowa is going to relook at her case after a couple of rounds of chemo, and if her MRI and numbers are good, may consider her for a liver transplant.
My question is this, why would one doc say she needed a whipple and liver transplant and now there is no talk of a whipple.
But there is hope and good news!!!
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