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January 14, 2012 at 4:22 pm #55753janetinflMember
Pete had a MRI and a catscan of his chest. Yesterday Pete’s oncologist said the cancer hadn’t spread, but there was no shrinkage of the 2 tumors. The radiologist and oncologist decided the next plan of attack is radioembolization. The radiologist gave us a phamplet on Therasphere that is a type of radioembolization.
The oncologist also told us that he won’t give Pete anymore cisplatin because it is doing a number on his kidneys. (this is when the radioembolization is completed) I asked if the radioembolization would do anything to his kidneys, and he answered no.
According to the phamplet once the procedure is completed we don’t go back to the Mayo for a month. After a month they take another MRI to see if the procedure did any good.
For us this is good news because maybe we get a break from the Mayo and doctors.
Has anyone had this procedure done?
December 27, 2011 at 7:16 pm #55752mustangmortSpectatorJanet,
I also wanted to just chime in and welcome you here. It’s an awful way to have to make friends, but we are grateful we have it.
December 27, 2011 at 4:08 pm #55734janetinflMemberThank you so much for your reply. I read your reply to Pete. He does lie down now and then on his right side. It gives him relief.
His MRI is Jan. 12. We will just wait and see. Our son is here with us now. His wife and 4 year old are at her parents house in Jacksonville. Father and son are enjoying each other so much. I sure hate to see him leave on the first to return to N. Carolina. I am praying that Pete will be strong enough to travel to N. Carolina in the spring to welcome a new granddaughter. Life does go on.
December 26, 2011 at 7:38 pm #55751pcl1029MemberHi, Janet,
Since your husband have started chemo already,and the MRI will be coming up within a week or two;it is better to wait for the results of the scan to see what will be the best thing to do next.and make sure the oncologist and Dr.Sella have a”pow wow” section again to determine the best treatment plans for your husband after the MRI scan.
Base on the summary you quoted(yes ,”impression” on the scan report is exactly what I want to see, thanks); I can understand Dr. Sella’s interest on your husband’s case. Your husband’s tumor is located at the backside of liver,my guess is on the right side of the sternum just underneath the rib cage,2-3 inches away from the sternum. He may experience dull pain now and then;if so ,it may help to lie down and rest for a while.
Make sure the doctor take care of the ascites as well as the portal vein thrombus for your husband.
God blessDecember 25, 2011 at 7:10 pm #55750janetinflMemberI found copies of test taken at our local hospital. They took a CT Abdomen and pelvis with contrast. I don’t know if you want me to type the entire report, but there is a sort of summary titled IMPRESSION. This is what is says.
Abnormal liver highly suspicious for a large heterogeneous infiltrating mass involving most of the posterior segment of the right lobe of the liver. The involved area measures approxiate 11cm craniocaudal by 8 cm by 9cm AP. Finding highly suspicious for a hepatic cellular carcinoma. There is also thrombus within the portal vein which is almost entirely occluded. This could be bland thrombus or tumor thrombus.
Large amount ascites. Splenomegaly.
Mild diffuse thickening of the gull bladder wall. No biliary dilatation.
There are numberous bilateral simple renal cysts as well as bilateral indeterminate hyperdense exophytic nodules. The indeterminate lesions are likely comples benign cysts but are not fully characterized on this exam.
Small nonobstructing bilateral kidney stones.
Today is Christmas and I am looking through records. We celebrated with son, wife, and grandson on Thursday because Pete had chemo on Friday.
Our son and family traveled from North Carolina to Florida. My son came armed with alternative type treatments. He doesn’t want to lose his dad. I love him for helping me find anything to save his dad. I have told our son about this forum and how I am trying to arm myself with information. Thank you all for being there.
December 19, 2011 at 5:57 am #55749marionsModeratorJanet…sorry for chiming in late. I don’t have much to add to what already has been mentioned, but I want to extend a warm welcome to you also. As far as I know Medicare coverage excludes liver transplantations for CC patients. Also, the esophageal varices can continue to be problematic therefore, keep a close eye on any sign of weakness of your husband. And, do not hesitate to take him to the hospital even if you are in doubt, it is better to be safe. Hang in there, this disease is difficult to understand. Writing down questions and answers or, taping conversations really helps.
All my best wishes,
MarionDecember 18, 2011 at 9:43 pm #55748janetinflMemberI will ask for a report on the first catscan. Dr. Sella did talk about going after the smaller tumor after radiating the first. How long have you been living with intrahepatic cc? I read on this forum that intrahepatic is not as common as extrahepatic. God Bless to you also.
December 18, 2011 at 9:03 pm #55747pcl1029MemberHi,
Actually what I forgot to suggest to you is that , I think radioembo or chemoembo is an option you should pursuit further.;go back to talk to Dr.Sella if you think my suggestion make sense to you.
What the radioembo will do is to kill the localized tumor, the 8cm one and if your husband has another small one they can either do both with the radioembo or do RFA on the small one if the location of the tumor is allowed.
and this is actually the reason I want to know about your husband’s cat scan report result.
God bless.December 18, 2011 at 8:24 pm #55746janetinflMemberPete does have the intrahepatic CCA like you. I don’t have a copy of the original catscan. We were told he had an 8 cm tumor in the liver that was shaped like a spider. A biopsy was taken at the Orange Park hospital. The slides were sent to the Mayo for them to test. They guessed the tumor origioned in a bile duct inside the liver. He had a catscan at the local hospital. When we first went to the Mayo they did another catscan in addition to an mri. One of these showed spots on his thyroid. He had a biopsy on his thyroid and the results were negative. In order the enter the trial he was on they had to rule out that the cancer had not spread to other parts of the body.
We were told by the surgeon named Dr. Winn that a transplant was ruled out because of the portal vein involvement. He even said if they could radiate all the cancer out of the portal vein that a transplant was still out of the question. I had the feeling that once it gets into the portal vein it is almost impossible to destroy all of it.
I will now ask if the reason he isn’t a candidate for a transplant is because his cancer is intrahepatic. I will let you know what the reply when I get the answer to that question. Thank you for your post.
December 18, 2011 at 8:08 pm #55745pcl1029MemberHi,
Liver transplant will be most successful if it is the extrahepatic kind(ie: the tumor is located in the common bile duct. I presumed your husband has the other kind called intrahepatic CCA which I have too. If so, liver transplant will be out of the question unless some other places or surgeon like Dr. Keto may go for it.can you quoted the ORIGINAL Cat scan so I know more about your situation and give you suggestion.
Remember,I am only a patient ,the same as your husband,a patient and not a doctor.
God bless.December 18, 2011 at 7:49 pm #55744janetinflMemberI forgot to tell you that so far there is no lymph node involvement. I did ask that question once. Pete had to take many test to see if the cancer hadn’t spread to be eligible for the trial. He is now off the trial because his platlets fell 2 times.
The big question is if the tumor has shown no sign of growth or has shrunk. He will have an mri in 3 weeks to answer that question. The catscan he had wasn’t good enough to answer that question.
I wish you all a Merry Christmas and that 2012 is good to you. Lets hope our loved ones are here to enjoy another Christmas. We will do our best to enjoy the holidays with our son, pregnant wife, and 4 year old grandson. They live in North Carolina and will join us tomorrow. Our nearest goal is to travel to North Carolina in April to greet our first granddaughter.
December 18, 2011 at 7:46 pm #55743jathy1125SpectatorJanet-It is a strange world we ended up in!! I am having my first healthy year and still don’t know what happenned the last 2 years it is so overwhelming. I am glad your doctors talk to each other, some times that is a rare thing. The one reason I keep posting and telling my story is to honor my donors and Dr. Chapman. The one thing both Dr. Chapman and I want is for liver transplant to be an option and to be ruled out by a doctor who believes in them. Transplantation is still new and for some reason controversial. If you would more info on Dr. Chapman please feel free to email me.
Lots of prayers-CathyDecember 18, 2011 at 7:31 pm #55742janetinflMemberThank you all for your replies. You have all given me lots to look into. My medical knowledge can fit on my little finger. I am trying to learn all that I can and this site has been a godsent for me.
I now have more questions to ask. I definately need to get smarter and try to understand all these medical terms. I usually go with a list of questions and leave with more questions.
Last Thursday we met with a Dr. Sella who is a radiologist. He talked at length about a type of radiology that goes through the leg and targets the cancer cells on the liver. He even talked of targeting the cancer in the portal vein to relieve some of Pete symtoms. He told us Pete has a large tumor on the right side of the liver and a smaller one that is sitting on the boundary line of the 2 lobes. First he will do a test drive to see that the poison he targets the tumor with doesn’t decide to leak out somewhere else. If the trial test drive works, then another day he would do the deed. I don’t remember the medical term he used to describe this procedure.
Friday we talked with the oncologist. At this point in time he said he would give Pete the traditional chemo and when it quits working then the next thing to do is the radiation. But he said he would consult with Sella. I like the idea of different docs having a “pow wow” and deciding what is the best thing to do because my husband and I know zero.
But the big question I have is why he isn’t a candidate for a transplant? Is it because of medicare or because he isn’t strong enough to withstand all the treatments needed before a transplant is necessary. I also want to tell them I am aware of Dr. Chapman and the trials he and the Mayo completed. I just want some answers.
Thank you again for all your replies. I feel the pain you all have gone through and the hope you give to others. You don’t know how many times I have read threads and just cried my eyes out. One big lesson I have learned is that you can’t give up. One must fight the good fight. I myself must learn all that I can so that someday I can tell myself I never gave up on my best friend of 44 years. Thank you again for all your advice.
December 18, 2011 at 3:15 am #55741pcl1029MemberHi,Janet,
I actually tried to answer your message, but I think ,as it had happened before,it disappeared while I was answering;may be because I went in and out of the message board to confirm what I had in my mind.
So this time around I will make it short.
The esophageal varices(bleeding) is common among liver cirrhosis patients; beta blockers like nadolol and Inderal can help to lower the portal vein pressure and keep the hemodynamic situation stable for your husband.
As long as you keep an eye on his symptoms (ie: vomiting blood or dark black color stools) and keep the hemoglobin>8;then he will be fine.
If you can, next time when his MRI results comes back, try to copy the report or quote the reports.; so it will help me to understand more about your husband’s condition.Have you talked to or had a radiation oncology consultation?
If there are no other metastasis and your husband only had the 9cm mass,
radiation therapy such as radioembo with Y90,chemoembo such as TACE with adriamycin ,mitomycin and/or cisplatin; SBRT and 3D- CRT are reasonable options too.The system chemotherapy your husband taking is relatively new; and I am sure your oncologist had tell you the pros and cons, so I will not repeated here. It seems to me that recently in addition to the traditional chemo like GEM/CIS or GEMOX; I see oncologists using Afinitor(everolimus)-a mTOR inhibitor, MK2206- a AKt inhibitor,AZD6244-a MEK inhibitor etc .alone or in combination with other agents .These proteins work on the P13K-AKt and RAF/MEK/ERk pathways which represent two of the most frequently activated growth factor signaling pathways in human cancer cell biology.Inhibition of both pathways could yield greater benefits than inhibiting either pathway alone. There are still a lot for me to digest,but I think this is the current thinking to treat solid tumors like CCA.
God bless.December 17, 2011 at 8:04 pm #55740dianecSpectatorHi Janet – glad you’ve made your way to us. This is an outstanding group.
In 2006 we were in the hopes that my husband Brad would be a candidate for a liver transplant at Mayo. He was under the care of Dr. Gores. One of the first visits we received was from the financial dept. at Mayo, who informed us that we were responsible for the cost of transplant. My husband had Medicare and Aetna insurance. They would not pay as the transplant for CC was considered experimental. Things may have changed since then, so it may be best if you contact Mayo. They will have the complete information.
Unfortunately, Brad’s CC had metastasized to the lymph nodes, which excluded him from transplant.
I’m thinking of you and your husband, Janet.
xoxo
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