Gemcitabine or not with small distal biliary tumor post-Whipple

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  • #88851
    gavin
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    Hi Caton,

    Welcome to the site. Sorry that you had to find us all here but glad that you,ve joined in with us as you are in the best place for support and help and will get loads of both from everyone. Thanks as well for sharing everything that is going on with you and I am glad that you were able to have your surgery as so many are not. And from what you say, your surgery went very well indeed with excellent results, superb news!

    Here is a link for you that I think will be of use to you –

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26127906

    And as to have the chemo after surgery, that is a tough one and one that I can not share any personal insight on as my dad could not have surgery and did not have chemo either. We have many members who have been through this situation and I know that they will be along soon to share their experiences with you. Have you had a look at the chemo board that we have on the site? It can be found here –

    http://www.cholangiocarcinoma.org/punbb … .php?id=16

    You will find loads of great info there as well from our members. Please feel free to post any questions wherever you like on the site, but I think you will get more responses to a chemo question for example if posted in the chemo part of the site. But please do not be afraid to ask as many questions as you like and post away. I look forward to hearing much more from you!

    My best wishes to you,

    Gavin

    #88850
    iowagirl
    Member

    Caton, Welcome to the CC Foundation boards. We may not have all the answers here, but hopefully, you will find enough from our personal experiences as patients, and some of the very solid info from some of our longer members, to help you make decisions regarding your treatment.

    I had a resection on Feb 28, 2014, for intrahepatic CC (5 cm and one very tiny one about 1/4th inch or less) clean margins (2.2 cm) , no neural or vasular invasion, no lymph node involvement . My left lobe of the liver was removed to get rid of the CC completely, which was fairly aggressive, considering the outlying position of the tumor and tiny sister tumor). I was urged very strongly by the Mayo oncologist to do adjuvant chemo (gem/cis) and was told flat out by the surgeon that I WAS doing chemo. In the end, though, it is the patient’s decision. After much reading and research, I decided to go ahead with the chemo, despite reading that there is no definite evidence that it works to kill microscopic CC that “could “still be floating around post surgery. I was aware of the possible side effects and issues of the chemo, but decided that IF the CC returns, I did not want to find myself in the position of saying, “I should have done it,” just in case it might have worked to kill any residual cancer cells. Despite throwing a blood clot from my leg to my lungs during the first chemo requiring a week in the hospital, losing all my hair, eyebrows and eyelashes, dry heaving almost every day past the 3rd round of chemo, having my hemoglobin go down far enough to require two blood transfusions, platelets go extremely low close to the end of chemo, developing some neuropathy in my toes, and suffering some kidney damage that appears to be irreversible/permanent…..I would make the same decision again…even with hindsight. Chemo has changed me….mostly for the worse…..but so has CC. However it has changed me, I will live with it…as long as I get the chance to “live”.

    Some people are scared of chemo……how it will feel….etc. I am glad to share those experiences with anyone who is considering chemo…….experiences that might help you get past the first one and through the whole ordeal. I was terrified the first time…and sat there with tears down my cheeks, but the actual infusion was much less than I had built up in my mind that it was. As for the side effects and damage it did…..it’s a small price to pay, if it gives me insurance that the cancer won’t return. Of course, I can’t know the latter for sure….ever….but I at least know i did all I could.

    Julie T.
    Iowa Girl

    Julie T.

    #88849
    marions
    Moderator

    Caton…..hello and welcome to our site. Although 7 of 10 oncologists recommend adjuvant (post surgery) therapy, but as of to date, clinical studies have not yet shown the benefit. Two major clinical trails are conducted;
    1. France: Gem/Ox
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT01313377#contacts
    2. Germany: ACTICCA-1 – Gem/Cis
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02170090

    I hope for others to chime in and share their viewpoints leading to making their own, personal decisions.

    Hugs
    Marion

    #88848
    lainy
    Spectator

    Dear Caton, welcome to our remarkable family and CONGRATULATIONS on a successful Whipple! I have to go back 10 years ago but my husband had the same surgery also with a Pancreas problem. Before I go further, remember that was 10 years ago and as always everyone is different. At that time we were told by 5 ONC/DOCs that chemo would not work for the kind of CC he had or where the location was. Teddy was fine for 3 years when it returned to the same area and he had Cyber Knife and then was fine for another 2 years as it returned again. Looking back we never regretted the decision to do no chemo however, this is the biggest topic/decision on this Board as you will see as answers to your question appear. You can certainly go for another opinion and then make up your mind. BTW we lived in Milwaukee then and his Surgeon was Lyle Henry at Columbia Hospital. He was fabulous. Continued success on your recovery and please let us know how you are doing with your progress!

    #11437
    caton
    Spectator

    I’m 7 weeks post-whipple for a 1.5 cm diameter x .6 cm depth distally extra-hepatic CC tumor. Just beginning to feel my healing settling in as my drain for a pancreatic fistula was just removed yesterday. Pathology was negative for evidence of cancer at the margins; path report also showed no node involvement at all sites tested. I realize that makes me lucky, and potentially cured despite the 50% chance that isn’t true. My oncologist and tumor board recommend observation and no chemo, but also say if I’d like it could be reasonable to do 6 months of gemcitabine in light of non-controlled research with pancreatic patients suggesting that doing so could double the time to identification of recurrence, should I wind up falling into that group with time. Just no research on the topic with pure bile-duct patients. Wondering if there are folks like me out there who either did or didn’t do chemo under similar circumstances, and what outcomes and experiences flowed from those decisions. I’m very anxious about recurrence, and I realize chemo can’t cure anything beyond what the surgery has already accomplished or not accomplished. Just wondering, wishfully, perhaps, whether 6 months of gem could extend my life meaningfully if I fall into the recurrent group. Also, what is it like to receive gemcitabine–what’s the experience like, how rough is it? Finally, should I post my question on some other location on this site or others? Thanks for all thoughts and reactions, Caton in Madison Wisconsin.

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