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October 22, 2010 at 12:14 pm #42858kimmieSpectator
Peggy, I am sorry what you are going through. We just lost my Mom to CC last month. She was on home hospice at my sister’s house, and my sister is a home hospice nurse. So she dealt with many of the same things you are feeling. When to take the “nurse hat” off and put on the “daughter hat.” I agree with what others have said. Though my mother never had jandice or other blockage issues, that seems like an easy and fairly non-invasive palliative measure. But the “quality vs. quantity” decisions are always hard.
Bazel – did your Mom have dementia when your father was battling CC? My father has vascular dementia, I guess you’d call it the middle stages. He has great long term memory, short term not great at all. Lately he’s “forgetting” more about personal hygiene, to eat 3 meals, etc. All through my mother’s time on hospice he kept forgetting why she was at my sister’s house and kept asking when he could take her home, when would she start feeling better, etc. It was torture to tell him almost daily that Mom has cancer and won’t be able to come home. Now we’re trying to talk him in to moving in with me and/or my sister. He is aware of his dementia and memory loss, and is able to verbalize how difficult that is for him. He has always been very independent and extremely intelligent, as his doctor said that kind of person makes it even more difficult to deal with losing their independence.
October 22, 2010 at 3:38 am #42857ironbarkMemberHi Peggy,
I’m also newish here, my Dad was diagnosed in late August of this year. I am also a Registered Nurse, and so have a bit of an idea where you are coming from.
One thing that I will say from my own experience is that while being an RN can be extremely useful at times, it can also get in the way of what should be our first priority – being a daughter.
I found myself trying to diagnose, treat and plan for my Dad so much that I wasn’t spending quality father-daughter time with him.I still do all the RN things, but they aren’t the only things I do with him.
I was also being really hard on myself for not being more of an expert, after all I am the health professional and the rest of the family was looking toward me for answers. The pressure was enormous, and I have never felt so helpless.
I have learnt several things. One step at a time. Everyone’s journey is different. Quality is definately better than quantity – Dad’s words. Ask lots of questions. Don’t believe everything on Google. And use this forum HEAPS, the people here are really great.
I’m not a huge fan of morphine for myself because of vomiting issues, but it may be a really suitable analgesic for others.
This is a fairly painless cancer I’m told, but I don’t know if that is forever, so pain relief might not be needed for a while.I know what you mean about cannibus, they’ve been talking about putting it into a tablet form for a while for terminal cancer patients. It apparently works well for pain relief, keeping people calm, and increasing the appetite.
I think the legislation that goes with approving a medication like that is a ways off yet, but it could be really valuable.You and your sister already have such a lot on your plate, just remember to look after yourselves too. Make sure you get plenty of breaks just to be YOU.
As I said, take one day at a time. It’s alll we can do with this dreadful cancer. Take care.October 16, 2010 at 9:25 pm #42856katjaMemberMy dad had a stent to relieve jaundice through ERCP with minimal anaesthetic – I’d really consider that because if it works it can help so much. Jaundice can be so debilitating, itchy and make you feel awful.
I feel for you, dealing with CC on top of your mother’s dementia. I’m interested in why you hate the idea of morphine – my friend, who’s a palliative care nurse, says that it is utterly indispensible. I understand it can cause hallucinations but my grandmother’s passing was eased greatly by morphine. I don’t believe there are many other drugs which could have done this (she was on huge doses of morphine for at least a week).
I hope that you find some answers and keep your mother as peaceful as possible.
KateOctober 16, 2010 at 1:46 pm #42855lisaSpectatorI wouldn’t disregard palliative care. Stents work wonderfully for me to make me comfortable and relieve the jaundice. Chemo has also worked to prolong my life without major side effects for the most part. The key would be to keep your mom comfortable as possible, I think.
October 16, 2010 at 2:23 am #42854jim-wildeMemberPeggy, I’m new here also. I went through CC last year and was thinking about the jaundice your mother has. Not long before I had surgery, I was fluorescent yellow and itched list crazy. I had an ERCP done and the doctor doing it inserted stents, and lo and behold, a week or so later my color was normal and the itching went completely away. I’. not sure this is an option for your mother, but I thought I would share my experience. If this is considered, it should only be done at a major teaching hospital, as most smaller hospitals don’t do enough to ever get really good at it.
Good luck in caring for your mom.
October 11, 2010 at 2:25 am #42853peggyMemberThanky you for your replies, our family tends to take care of things ourselves, having to rely on other services that may take over our part in Mum and Dads care has been something we have had to consider.
The part we all agree on is that we want no suffering for our Mother this is first and foremost, we hope the treatments we can get access too will maintain her Quality of Life.
Im usually viewing situations from the outside, having it so close to home makes me feel wierd at the moment, I hope I get more feedback from others.
October 11, 2010 at 2:19 am #42852BazelSpectatorHello Peggy and another warm welcome. My dad had cc and passed almost 3 years ago now. I was his medical advocate and was by his side through his cc journey. My mom has dementia (Frontal Temporal and PPA). If I can draw some assumptions based on both experiences and offer some thoughts, here they are:
My mom is in the middle stages of her disease and no longer understands the concept of most medical care and treatment. She just wants the doctor to fix her. We are dealing with a new L1 compression fracture and she just doesn’t understand things like going to get an MRI or why she see’s a doctor and they “do” nothing to help her. She absolutely would not understand going through treatements, even minimally, for cc. There is some oral chem (Xeloda) and that could be an option , but you still have to watch blood counts to make sure it is safe for chemo and even that could be too much. For my mom pain would be the greatest concern. And as others have said, I would turn to Hospice to help manage this. The other rambling thought I have is that each person reacts differently to chemo and the side effects can be very confusing and challenging to manage. While it appears your family is sharing the caregiving responsibility, the challenges that can come with cc can test the most dedicated caregiver, coupled with dementia and I would suggest looking (before you NEED) for a care facility in case the need arises. If your mom can understand the treatements and the need to go through them, then this may sway your overall plan.
Sorry, a bit of a ramble but hopefully of some value.
Bz
October 11, 2010 at 1:04 am #42851lainySpectatorHi Peggy and welcome to our wonderful family. My husband is in Home Hospice Care now and my Mother is being cared for in a private home home as she is 94 and has dementia. Teddy is almost 78 and has been fighting this CC for 5 years. When we were told in June that there was no more to be done except Palliative Chemo he opted to just let it all ride and chose quality not quantity. Hospice can be called via the Oncologist, and they are wonderful! They will not do anything you don’t want them to. For us they have been a Godsend. Teddy is on Morphine and took to it quite well because it was a gradual regiment to get him where he is. Quite possibly you became blocked when your mother was diagnosed with Dementia and that block is with you now. It all OK, we all handle things differently.
Bottom line is I would talk to Hospice, they will evaluate your Mom and see if she needs their help yet. For what its worth, if that was my mom, I would feel exactly as you do. Please keep us posted.October 11, 2010 at 12:58 am #42850marionsModeratorDear Peggy…..Welcome to our site. It appears that your Mom has been diagnosed recently and not much has been discussed regarding her status of this disease. I understand your concern of treatment vs. quality of life however, certain treatments may lead to just that; a better quality of life. I suppose it depends on the type of intervention chosen. You are speaking of jaundice. Generally, stents are used for biliary drainage, which in turn eliminate the itching associated with biliary obstruction and that in itself improves quality of life. Resections are another issue. Your Mom being elderly in addition to suffering from dementia certainly puts a different spin on the situation.
Pain is another issue and it can be addressed if and when it happens. I think that with time things will fall in place for you, but I do understand your concerns. Your appointment with the physicians will shed more light on the situation but, do not anticipate the most horrible of outcomes, because, it simply is not always the case.
I am hoping for others to chime in and share their experiences with you.
All my best wishes,
MarionOctober 10, 2010 at 10:56 pm #4150peggyMemberHello everyone,
My Mother has just now been diagnosed with cholangiocarcinoma, shes never been sick before, shes always been healthy. Im a Registered nurse and have experienced caring for Cancer sufferers for a number of years.
But this is the first time Ive experienced this with my own family, and strangely its not affecting me like it should. My Mother has dementia, is in her late 70s and shes cared for at home by my sister, we, my brother 2 sisters and I have been taking turns looking after her and Dad for the past 10 years.
Ive been reading some of the threads and blogs here and found that many are at an age that they want to fight and prolong their life for their family and to continue living their life as best they can.
From my perspective as a Health professional Ive seen the effects of prolonging the inevitable and the most important outcome of these experiences is the Quality of Life, or the lack of.
I want my Mothers comfort above all else to be maintained and this is why Im at a crossroads in how best to deal with her future care, as much empathy as Ive been able to develop due to the experiences Ive had in my job, it doesnt compare to how this is right now for me.
I love my Mother very much, with her dementia its been difficult to see someone that is slowly experiencing a living death losing her memories and aspects of herself, now with the cancer becoming part of the equation its even more difficult to come to a real decision.
Its still in the early stages, they cant operate due to the jaundice and other therapies arent being discussed yet. The types of things that are weighing most heavily on my mind is the worst case scenario.
I dont want her in pain, and I hate the idea of morphine, Id prefer cannabis but thats not legal where Im from. I worry about how she will cope with the illness itself not including the various side effects from treatments that are available, and that is my real concern, Quality of life.
I was hoping that Survivors or those who are currently dealing with this could help shed some light on your own experiences, how you deal with the effects of daily living and how u cope. My own perspective was from treating medically, not from a carers perspective despite being a nurse, if that makes sense, we never really got to spend quality time with patients, always rushing to the next task to do.
But this has all my focus now, and my own experiences are coming to a horrible conclusion as its the only comparison I can draw upon, and that is suffering, misery and pain. Ive seen the effects of various treatments in patients and its hard not to see my Mother experiencing this.
Please any help you can give would be appreciated, I know its difficult since everyone has different experiences and not everything will work. Comfort for Mother is the Priority Quality vs Quantity of life, Im not necessarily looking at Palliative care, I want her to get through this with the least amount of discomfort, the grind of living daily, and coping mechanisms.
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