Help – your advice needed
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November 26, 2013 at 2:09 pm #77502thebompie4Member
I have to say that we DID do a lot of research on Y 90 and I have
to say that I asked for people’s advice, help and personal stories
(of which we got the 2 or 3 you mentioned.)Here, on this board. TWICE.
I should probably leave well enough alone but OUR HUGE
frustration with this board is that we come here seeking
advice and help and opinions from people who are going through
this…almost each and every time I post a question, hardly anyone
answers (which of course is not very helpful)when we ask for “real life stories”, almost no one ever answers.
We are almost always pointed in the direction of hard to understand
and complicated medical journals which are not helpful to “lay people”
like us. I’m sorry that we’re not as smart as some of you here on
this board.Which is why we come looking for practical help–real answers
from real people fighting this cancer. And mostly I feel we
get a lot of fluff and silence. (After speaking with 4 doctors FIRST)I truly and sincerely wish that more people, REAL PEOPLE, would
pipe in with advice, personal stories and helpful answers of
WHAT THEY EXPERIENCED.I feel extremely frustrated that IF Y 90 is a “last resort” and
has almost all “bad outcomes” that when I asked weeks and weeks
ago, SOME ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN KIND ENOUGH OR BOLD
ENOUGH TO ANSWER MY QUESTION HONESTLY.We come here making (LITERALLY) life and death decisions
for people we love, looking for help–and (I personally) don’t
feel like I find very many answers here.Sorry for the vent…feeling VERY (!!) frustrated that we have now
done a “bad thing, last resort thing with almost all bad
results” on my husband….And the one place where I could have found some real life
HELP—and no one felt obligated or like helping us BEFORE hand
when we were BEGGING for some good answers to help
make this decision.November 26, 2013 at 5:26 am #77501pfox2100MemberThanks Percy.
November 26, 2013 at 5:09 am #77500pcl1029MemberHi, Porter,
Yes Y-90 is the same as radioembo . the same as SIRT .
Y-90 come in with two mediums (as resins or glass particles) but the delivery method is the same. The effectiveness are basically the same .God bless.
November 26, 2013 at 4:43 am #77499pfox2100MemberThe Radioembo, is that also what is referred to as y90?
PorterNovember 26, 2013 at 4:23 am #77498pcl1029MemberHi,
I know at least Jason,Pamela and Holly have given their opinions and experiences to you based on the messages you had with them on this board.
I think they have given you the best of their experiences and knowledge .
I know Jason wrote to you in one of the message that about what he thinks about the radioembo but he also mentioned” it is not the time for his wife for having this procedure.” He did not say it without studying and asking questions. I know he did a lot of researching on this and you can do the same by reading the past members’ experiences,case by case, on this board,under section of Radiation Treatment.
God bless.November 26, 2013 at 3:16 am #77497thebompie4MemberSo I’m even more curious–have people here only had BAD
outcomes/experiences with radioembolization?have there been no good outcomes?
yikes…i wish people would have chimed in when i asked
for personal experiences BEFORE kyle had this procedure.i guess we will continue to hope that we are a GOOD
outcome and will have a good story for board members
to hear then.here’s hoping!
November 26, 2013 at 2:22 am #77496pcl1029MemberHi,
It is the experiences and outcome of our past members who go thru radioembo as well as the medical journal articles that I read over the last couple years.It is my choice based on the knowledge I learn so far and it does not mean radioembo not work either.,but it is not for everyone .
God bless.
November 26, 2013 at 1:37 am #77495thebompie4MemberWondering why you choose radioembolization as your LAST option?
just curious…since my husband just did this.
November 26, 2013 at 1:07 am #77494pcl1029MemberHi, Jz,
Thanks for your compliment.
As you know, there are our moderators ,nurses,cytologist,and sometimes doctors and other medical professionals will response to our members discussion board message and I am only part of the team.Interventional radiologists(IR) and the medical articles that I read mostly agree that for intrahepatic tumors ,if the LOCATION of the tumor is not a problem, the SIZE of each tumor is <3cm and/or no more than 3-4 tumor IN NUMBERS; chemoembolization followed by RFA or microwave ablation or IRE will have the same effectiveness of resection.
For lymph nodes nearby the liver ,depends on the location and size, cryoablation or IRE can be of use to ablate the tumor without using HEAT.
BTW,I am actually testing out the above procedures for my third recurrence.
and I will let the members know exactly what I think the result is actually match what the books and experience said or not.For lungs, RFA,IRE or microwave ablation can be used to burn off the leison ; follow up with adjuvant chemotherapy or targeted therapy and with PET scan every 3 months for confirmation of the effectiveness of the IR treatment.
Stanford is one of the best IR for 2nd opinion in the west. and I see why not to give them a try for a 2nd opinion.
Your dad is 63,the same age as me,unless he had other co-exist diseases at the same time that will affect his overall risk of having IR treatment. I do not see any problem for IR procedures;Most of the IR procedures are outpatient procedure and can go home the same day. The only problem IR procedures are palliative in nature and not for cure.( but I have 2 successful resections and still have 3 recurrence,so resection is ONLY a POSSIBLE cure ; the recurrence rate for ICCA is 50-80%)
If they(Standford) offer your father radioembolization ; and If I were your father, I will only choose it as my last IR option.
God bless.
November 25, 2013 at 10:06 pm #77493marionsModeratorjz….we are seeing a big shift re: the use of various types of radiation when addressing metastases of this disease. If your present physician disagrees then I would reach out to someone else.
Good luck and please keep us posted.
Hugs,
MarionNovember 25, 2013 at 8:25 pm #77492jzMemberThanks Percy, your advice is always appreciated, I was secretly hoping you’d respond to the post!
Just to tap your knowledge a bit further – can you share your understanding of the effectiveness of RFA if the disease has spread?
The oncologist my Dad has been seeing at UCLA says there is no role for RFA when the disease has spread beyond the liver.
Thank you!
November 25, 2013 at 8:15 pm #77491pcl1029MemberHi,
If I were you ,I will do RFA on the liver and for the lungs too.
The lymph nodes and the lungs are the mets of CCA to go first.( lymph nodes are local regional mets and the lungs are distance mets ).
God bless,November 25, 2013 at 7:24 pm #9173jzMemberHi forum,
I haven’t posted here for a while, but I’d like to ask for your advice.
A short recap – my Dad (63 yo) was diagnosed with intrahepatic cholangiocarcinoma in early 2012. He had resection on the one tumor in the liver, and did not do chemo afterwards. The first recurrence (2 tumors, each ~1cm) was found in January 2013 and after biopsy confirmed recurrence, he underwent RFA treatment for the two tumors. The procedure was successful, and he did not do chemo afterwards.
Couple of weeks ago, he went in for his scans and the MRI found again two small tumors (~1cm each) on the liver, and a suspicious nodule on the lung. The radiologists believe the liver tumors are recurrent, but that the lung is not related. We are waiting to do a biopsy on the lung to identify what it is.
The situation right now is that we have the chance to do the RFA on the liver this week, without knowing what the lung nodule is (that biopsy is scheduled for weeks later).
My question is – assuming the lung nodule is related to the liver (though we hope not), does it make sense to do RFA on the liver + follow up with chemo OR should we just wait to do systemic chemo? I’d love to hear your experience and thoughts on this.
Thanks very much.
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