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  • #87115
    gavin
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    Thanks for that Katrina.

    #87114
    marions
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    Katrina….great input. Prior to the ABC-2 study, there was no established standard chemotherapy for patients with locally advanced or metastatic biliary tract cancer.

    This clinical trial proved that the gemcitabine/cisplatin combination increases life expectancy by approximately 1.1 years. Note: Intrahepatic patients faired not quite as well.
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT00262769

    You, – similar to the majority of resected patients – received gem/cis in an adjuvant setting (post surgery) and appeared to have minor, positive response. The reality is, we don’t know whether resected patients benefit from chemotherapy.

    This question will be answered with 2 conducted and completed studies. We are awaiting data outcome of the BilCap study:
    Xeloda or observation only:
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00363584

    and the Prodige12 study:
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01313377

    So happy to know that the second surgery removed the cancerous lymph node.

    Hugs,
    Marion

    #87113
    katrina
    Spectator

    I am sure that I misunderstood something regarding Gem/Cis but I don’t know what it is. Back in December of 2010, we found out that a large study had been done (some other country) and found that GEM/CIS had a better outcome than Gem along. And that it gave extended time. I took that after my successful liver resection with clear margins, and nothing came up. Then about 6 months after I stopped treatment, a bit came back to a lymph node. We hit it with Gem/Cis and just a small amount disappeared but we were able to get that with an MDA operation to remove it. That’s not the end of the story, but the part that relates to Gem/Cis.

    #87112
    marions
    Moderator

    You are most welcome, dear Gavin.

    #87111
    gavin
    Moderator

    Many thanks for that Marion.

    #87110
    marions
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    In regards to effectiveness (efficacy) shown early in the study phase II or Phase III the sponsor (pharmaceutical company) is eligible to request ” Breakthrough” designation.
    This accelerated approval request must be accompanied by “preliminary” evidence indicating that the drug demonstrated substantial improvement over existing therapies
    FDA approval then assures quick application of drug to general patient population.

    What are clinically significant endpoints?
    1. Response to drug – usually the primary endpoint in phase II trials

    CR (Complete Response) = no “detectable” tumor is evident (also called “NED” – no evidence of disease -) Potentially the treatment was curative.
    Note: Although there is no evidence of tumor(s) patient may not be cured. CT or other scans have limitations in that it residual tumor may be too small to be visible.

    Partial Response to drug (PR) – at least a 50% decrease in the total tumor volume.

    With evidence of some residual disease, a partial response is not curative because: a significant amount of tumor remains.
    Note: some patients show evidence of remaining tumor however; they may achieve a complete response with continued treatment. Also visible, residual “tumor” may relate to “dead” tumor or “scar” tissue.

    In adjuvant setting (following “potentially curative surgery)
    Disease Free Survival or Progression Free Survival: generally used as endpoints In Phase III, randomized trials (people chosen at random):

    Progression Free Survival: patient is alive and free of any significant cancer increase
    Disease Free Survival is connected to Progression Free Survival and is used as endpoint of adjuvant therapy, clinical research study (trial) i.e. measure of recurrence of disease following surgery to remove all visible cancer. These types of trials need comparisons i.e. randomization.

    Hugs
    Marion

    #87109
    marions
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    Julie….happy to know I was of help to you.
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    Marion

    #87108
    iowagirl
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    Marilyn,

    Thank you, thank you for the great explantion…..simplistic or not…..that’s what I needed. I didn’t realize some of the “studies” I’d seen were just academic studies…but that explains everything. Now to be patient. But, I’m an impatient, patient. :) It’s kind of “after the fact” for me, having already done the adjuvant chemo, but I’d still like to know. :)))))

    Julie T.

    #87107
    marions
    Moderator

    July….this is a rather simplified explanation. There are academic research studies – generally peer reviewed for accuracy and then published – and then there are clinical research studies i.e. clinical trial studies. The academic research studies (most often) require clinical research studies to validate the accuracy in a large patient population and in a clinical setting (clinical research studies.)
    Clinical research studies come in phases:
    Clinical trials are conducted in a series of steps, called phases – each phase is designed to answer a separate research question.
    •Phase I: Researchers test a new drug or treatment in a small group of people for the first time to evaluate its safety, determine a safe dosage range, and identify side effects.

    •Phase II: The drug or treatment is given to a larger group of people to see if it is effective and to further evaluate its safety.

    Phase III: The drug or treatment is given to large groups of people to confirm its effectiveness, monitor side effects, compare it to commonly used treatments, and collect information that will allow the drug or treatment to be used safely.

    If effectiveness (efficacy) is shown early in the study (either phase II or Phase III) then the FDA will release the drug quickly to the general patient population. In most instances though, the study will have to be conducted in the time set.

    The last and forever ongoing •Phase IV: Studies are done after the drug or treatment has been marketed to gather information on the drug’s effect in various populations and any side effects associated with long-term use.

    Several academic studies have shown for adjuvant therapy to be effective. And, that may very well be true….but we won’t know for sure unless a large scale phase III clinical research study provides the data we are looking for.

    Why is Germany conducting this study? No answer other than they were able to pull it off whereas other countries did not.

    Hugs,
    Marion

    #87106
    iowagirl
    Member

    Marilyn, Thanks for going over the study info. I didn’t know if it was like a trial for a drug…..once they discover a drug has fantastic response, (don’t know how often this actually happens) the drug is offered to all parties involved (and similarly, when a drug isn’t working as expected…or even having opposite results (as I believe some drugs in heart studies….and estrogen?….is that the one??)…..they pull the drug before the projected end). I thought maybe that if the saw a pretty dramatic result, it seems ethically, they should need to inform the public and medical community. When I saw 8 years on there…..I was pretty discouraged. That is 8 more years of people not knowing based on any research whether to do adjuvant chemo or not.

    That said….I “thought” there HAD been some studies….showing that adjuvant chemo does have some good effect….in particular where there are positive margins and positve lymph nodes, but not where everything “looks” good. Am I imagining that? I thought for sure I had read that in some of the study posts that you or Gavin had posted on the foundation website. If that was the case….why is Germany doing this big study? Is it just for the much larger size of the study…and thus a better chance of being statistically more accurate?

    Julie T.

    #87105
    marions
    Moderator

    Julie….I too am disappointed with the quality of the video.

    To answer your question: unfortunately no – we will not be able to receive any data prior to the projected date. For diseases such as our, patient accrual takes time. Some drop out (for various reasons) and new patients enter the clinical research study. This particular study aims at recruiting 440 resected gallbladder and CCA patients; quite difficult in itself. Considering the treatment time followed by the collection and analysis of data, one can understand the extensive, projected time frame.

    Hugs,
    Marion

    #87104
    iowagirl
    Member

    Thanks Marion. I watched most of the video, but stopped when I couldn’t hear what was being said. Even so, I had gotten lost pretty fast, so I really appreciated your post with the recap of some of the info that was discussed.

    Do I understand correctly that the results of the German trial to see if Gem/Cis used as adjuvant therapy following a resection will not be available until 2022? Do they do preliminary reports on what they see happening?

    Julie T.

    #87103
    gavin
    Moderator

    Thanks for all of that Marion, loads of great info there! I haven’t had the time to watch the video yet but I will do asap and if I have any questions I will let you know. Many thanks once again for the additional info you gave us all.

    Hugs,

    Gavin

    #87102
    marions
    Moderator

    Thanks, Gavin.
    This presentation encompassed many important issues – it’s worth the watch – I will try to answer questions you may have.

    We are awaiting the data from several clinical trials which may potentially change treatments of Cholangiocarcinoma patients.

    Although the majority of physicians recommend adjuvant (post resection) chemotherapy, the outcome of the (3) below mentioned clinical research studies will prove/disprove the validity of this approach.

    UK: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00363584
    Do extrahepatic (hilar and distal) resected CCA patients benefit from adjuvant therapy with Capecitabine (Xeloda?

    France: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01313377
    Do extrahepatic (hilar and distal) resected CCA patients benefit from adjuvant GEMOX treatment?

    Germany: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02170090
    Do CCA (intrahepatic, hilar, distal) resected patients benefit from adjuvant GEM/CIS treatment?

    The below study is comparing progression free survival of extrahepatic (hilar, distal) CCA with advanced or metastatic disease, who have been treated with Gem/Cis as first line of treatment but now have progressed.
    Korea: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01470443
    Is XELOX as effective as GEMOX?

    The ABC-6 study
    UK: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01926236
    CCA patients (intrahepatic, distal, hilar) non metastatic, but locally advanced, who are fully active, able to carry on all pre-disease performance without restriction or may be restricted in physically strenuous activity but ambulatory and able to carry out work of a light or sedentary nature, e.g., light house work, office work. One arm (group) of participants will receive monthly clinical review and active symptom control as needed, including biliary drainage, antibiotics, analgesia, steroids, anti-emetics, other palliative treatment for symptom control, palliative radiotherapy, blood transfusion.
    The other control group will receive FOLFOX.

    USA https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02200042
    Intrahepatic, non-resectable, localized progressed (non-metastatic) CCA patients are divided in 2 groups:
    Group A: will receive Gem/Cis
    Group B: will receive Gem/Cis plus radiation. With or Without Radiation Therapy in Treating Patients With Localized Liver Cancer That Cannot Be Removed By Surgery

    Hugs,
    Marion

    #11004
    gavin
    Moderator

    Increasing Clinical Trials in Cholangiocarcinoma – Dr. Zhu, Dr. Borad, Dr. Collison

    From the Cholangiocarcinoma Foundation’s 2015 Annual Conference.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGwFDUsrrFU

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