My Father’s story…..

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  • #59753
    nancy246
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    My husband took DCA along with his chemo as well as mistletoe and vitamins. He was far more advanced in his cancer than your dad. As laymen I don’t think we will be able to know if the results were from the chemo, the DCA or combination. I do know that my husband tolerated the chemo extremely well and lived healthier than expected right up until the end. Living in Canada we got the DCA through a Naturopath. Best wishes to your Dad. Hugs. Nancy

    #59752
    lbutiong
    Spectator

    Queenzerka, thank you for taking the time to reply to my question. I’m still looking into it. I was able to find the dcasite.com website. I sent “Bill” an email and still waiting for a response.

    Should you be interested, one of the members of the site recommended a pharmacy based in Canada (Hollandview Pharmacy). They prepare dca capsules based on weight and dca mgs. dosage you want. An estimate for my Mom was $200 for a 60-day supply (137 lbs and 10 mgs) + shipping, of course. Additional, would be the Vitamin B1 supplements.

    #59751
    pcl1029
    Member

    Hi,
    Good luck on what you do for your mother.
    Just a side note: for those who ask why people cannot get DCA as a drug(pharmaceutical grade) in the U.S. and have to go to Canada to get it.
    The reason is simple. DCA is not approved by FDA as a drug in the States.
    God bless.

    #59750
    queenzerka
    Member

    PCL1029 – I guess I’m not willing to experiment that much with this. I’m not going to gamble with his life to prove what is the magical silver bullet in this formula and many of the research articles and trails I’m come across have suggested that the combination of chemo and DCA is the most favorable so we’ll just keep on doing it. I do know that the five year survival for nonresectable CC is 0% so I would guess that we will know in 5 years if it was the addition of the DCA that helped him along since he would be a medical miracle at that point right?

    lbutiong – We got the DCA from http://www.pharma-dca.com/usa/index.html but again, I’m not recommending anyone try what we did but this is the site Bill recommended since we asked him.

    Before that I also called around in Canada to find pharmacy grade DCA because I too was concerned about getting pure DCA. I found a compound pharmacist in Canada (these are the only guys who order this type of stuff) who could sell me 1 kg for 1500 from a pharmacy supply company, we didn’t need that much so declined.

    http://www.medisca.com/en-ca/home.aspx is the pharmacitical supply company that they have to get it from, but is only available in Canada (really, checkout the US site and the Canada site, the DCA or sodium dichloroacetate is only available for order on the Canadian one) I only knew this from researching where this stuff comes from. You have to go through a pharmacist to order it, but you also have to find one with an account to medisca to order it from them.

    #59749
    marions
    Moderator

    Queenzerka…it is not may intent to discourage you from what you are doing. I wish for all good things to come your way.
    Percy addressed one issue: How do we know whether the DCA is aiding in the shrinkage?
    Because it is not unusual to have the kind of positive response your father is experiencing.

    Hugs,
    Marion

    #59748
    pcl1029
    Member

    Hi,
    The only thing that may give you a better idea whether the tumor shrinkage is due to the GEM/CIS or GEM/CIS+DCA is to STOP the DCA and continue the GEM/CIS regimen ONLY;starting from the next scan until the following scan will be done.(about 3 months); If the ” follow up CT scan” continues to show shrinkage of the tumor or “stable” ; that means it is the results is from the chemotherapy only and not from the DCA.If the CT scan shows disease progress,then the DCA may be of benefit and you can resume your secret formula.Or just stop the chemo treatment and use DCA alone for 3 month and take a CT scan to verify the usefullness of the DCA.

    I am a patient of CCA and I did take a look on DCA before;but due to the side effects and the difficulty in obtaining medicinal grade DCA. I stopped considering using DCA.
    I like to use myself as experiment on using medications since CCA is relatively resistance to chemo agents in general.But I will use blood work; CT scan to verify my results. I even delayed my surgery to see how fast my tumor grows in one year.
    good luck to your father;but be sure to watch out the combined side effects of GEM/CIS and DCA.
    God bless.

    #59747
    lbutiong
    Spectator

    Thanks for sharing this info queenzerka. Would you mind sharing where you purchased DCA for your father? I’m seriously considering this for my Mom who’s been diagnosed with a tumor the size of a baseball…I’m open to anything that will help shrink my Mom’s tumor. She’s currently on her 2nd round of cisplatin/gemcitabine chemo regimen.

    Thank you in advance.

    #59746
    gavin
    Moderator

    Hi Queenzerka,

    Welcome to the site. Sorry that you had to find us all but I am glad that you’ve joined in with us all as you will get so much support and help from everyone here. And thank you so much for sharing your dad’s story with everyone here. That is good to hear about the shrinkage and I hope that this continues for him.

    I hope that you will keep coming back here and I look forward to hearing more from you. Please keep us all updated on how your dad gets on.

    My best wishes to you and your dad,

    Gavin

    #59745
    gavin
    Moderator

    Marion,

    Found this from March 2012 –

    Mitaplatin increases sensitivity of tumor cells to Cisplatin by inducing mitochondrial dysfunction.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22289032

    Gavin

    #59744
    lainy
    Spectator

    Dear queenzerka, welcome to our extraordinary family but sorry you had to find us.
    What an interesting story to say the least. I am glad your Dad is doing so much better! Also looking forward to what the ONC says when you tell him your little secret. CC itself is such a puzzle and I feel what ever works for someone, that is up to them to try. Wishing you the very best and looking forward to hearing more.

    #59743
    marions
    Moderator

    queen….congratulations on the shrinkage. That is fantastic. Additionally I would love to thank you for sharing your little secret with us.
    I wish for continued success with your Dad’s great response to the treatment and please, keep us posted.

    I am wondering: most of the information leads back to 2009 and I am wondering whether you know of any more current studies conducted?

    Hugs,
    Marion

    #6624
    queenzerka
    Member

    I just wanted to write my father’s story for everyone.

    Early December 2011 my mother noticed while they were playing cards how yellow my father was and told him that he needed to get that checked. He made an appointment with the doctor, when he got there he told the doctor his symptoms and the Drs response was that there was an 80% chance he had pancreatic cancer and that more tests need to be performed. They sent him for a CT and some other tests. When they came back, the Dr said it was not pancreatic cancer, however there seemed to be a narrowing in the bile duct and that he would have to go to the hospital for a ERCP and EUS to take a look the next week.

    After his tests, the results came back, it was cholangiocarcinoma, the doctor did not think it was resectable based on what she saw but she was willing to schedule a surgical consult at the U of Minnesota (we are lucky enough to live by both the U of M and Mayo).

    The surgeon agreed to try surgery and it was scheduled for 12/22, when they opened him up it was clear that it was indeed not resectable. He wasn’t a candidate for Mayo’s liver transplant either since the tumor was so big (about 3 inches long, kind of narrow and following the bile duct up to the liver but no liver spots seen). We had him take a photo of the ugly thing. Not the Christmas present we wanted.

    He started chemotherapy with a combination of gemcitabine and cisplatin as a palliative therapy. The oncologist gave him 6 to 18 months. Everything we read said that he had no chance, unresectable tumors have a 0% five year survival rate so I went on a mission to look for a miracle. I dove in feet first, reading open trails, clinical trail reports, medication studies, got access to a university database and ran through that as well (I’m an analyst so doing research sifting through large amounts of data is what I do). I came across a drug called Sodium Dichloroacetate (DCA), Universities have been studying it, it has open trails but isn’t available in the US. We went to the dca site, found a guy named Bill who has survived since 2005, after he had a whipple and it came back. I googled Bill to make sure that he did in fact exist and was a real guy, and he was. We talked to him on the phone, his advice was to start DCA right away, don’t wait until the 4th round of chemo when your body is destroyed to do this as a last ditch effort. After that conversation, my dad ordered DCA from a website.

    He started using DCA as soon as he got it, 10 mg per kg with caffeine and b1 daily, 5 days on, two days off (chemo day and day after). The oncologist isn’t aware of this, he didn’t even want my father to take vitamins because they may interact with chemo. Harold has not had any reaction to the DCA, the chemo I can’t say the same, he has fevers and nausea from it right after as well as low blood counts.

    Fast forward 3 months:
    My father went in for a CT scan, when the results came back and showed significant tumor shrinkage. The doctor was amazed at the results and highly encouraged. I personally feel it’s a combination of the DCA and chemo. We’ll let the oncologist in on our little secret in a bit after a couple more scan results.

    I’m not recommending people to do what we have, but it seems to be working for us right now, I’ll let you know in a couple months what the next test shows (hoping it keeps going in the right direction). We were also looking at metformin since it has open trails as well but more for pancreatic cancers however it shows to help reduce metastasis of cancer which would help in addition to the DCA and Chemo. (still trying to find a dr to off label that one for us)

    MIT has put in a patent for a cisplatin/DCA treatment called MITAPLATIN.

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