My Wonderful Mother Kathy
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August 21, 2015 at 3:46 am #89438spaperaMember
Matt, thank you very much for sharing that and for your kind words. The information you provided is very helpful and it is clear that Lisa is in terrific hands with you. It sounds like we are exploring a lot of the same options and I will certainly provide any updates if we learn more about Keytruda and/or any other trials along the way that might prove helpful to you and the rest of this awesome community of fighters. The team at Memorial Sloan Kettering is in the process of conducting molecular testing of her blood and tissue samples, and I very much appreciate that advice and suggestion. I will be sure to make sure they are testing for the PL-D1 antibody as part of the testing.
I very much hope that Lisa’s current chemo regimen will prove effective! You and Lisa will be in my thoughts and prayers.
Thanks again!
-Steven
August 21, 2015 at 3:25 am #89437mlaytonSpectatorSteven,
I am so sorry to hear about your mother’s recurrence and the challenges that she is facing. My wife Lisa is in a similar situation. Lisa was diagnosed with ICC in May of 2013. At the time of diagnosis, she was inoperable due to multiple large tumors in both lobes of her liver and positive distant lymph nodes. Fortunately, she was able to have a life-saving resection surgery after six months of chemotherapy treatments, including 8 rounds of folfirinox (folfox plus irinotecan).This past February, we learned that Lisa had a recurrence in the form of multiple small nodules in both of her lungs. Like you, we pursued the TIL trail at the NIH, but after an extensive review of Lisa’s medical records and scans, we were told that the lung nodules are currently too small for her to qualify (the nodules range between 2 and 9 mm).
Lisa underwent a thoracotomy surgery at MD Anderson in June. The surgeon was able to remove 4 of the 12 nodules and confirmed that the lung lesions were metastatic cholangiocarcinoma. Unfortunately the genetic testing did not reveal any mutations that qualify for clinical trials. Lisa is currently being treated with a combination of xeloda and gemcitabine. Although folfirinox was very effective in treating her initial liver tumors, Lisa is not able to have this type of chemotherapy any longer due to persistent neuropathy that she still experiences as a side effect. Folfox and folfirinox are tough treatments with some unpleasant side effects. However, in Lisa’s case, this regimen was very effective in shrinking the tumors. I truly hope that your mother is able to have similar results and that the side effects are not too difficult to endure.
We are very hopeful that Lisa’s current chemotherapy regimen will be effective in shrinking or even eliminating her lung nodules. In the event that this treatment is not successful, our next step will likely be to try keytruda. Keytruda has demonstrated great promise for melanoma, and some early studies and anecdotal cases have shown some success for solid tumors as well (although clinical trials are ongoing). Because there are not currently any openings for Keytruda clinical trials for biliary tract cancers, we will likely explore using this drug on an off-label basis. Lisa’s medical team believes that Keytruda could hold promise because her tumor expresses the PL-D1 antibody. If your mother has not had this testing, I would definitely recommend that you pursue it to see if she would be eligible for similar immunotherapy treatments.
You seem to have a very good handle on your mother’s treatment, so I am not sure that I have much additional information to offer aside from the recommendations above. Your mother is very lucky to have you in her corner. We will keep her in our thoughts and prayers.
-Matt
August 21, 2015 at 3:01 am #89431spaperaMemberThanks so much Julie. That is so wonderful that the surgery and adjuvant chemo has you now with no evidence of disease!!! I pray that it stays that way for you.
I will share with you a few more details about my mother’s situation in case it might be helpful for you to consider additional factors and continue to monitor things (as I am sure you are doing). Information is power and I subscribe to the school of thought that you can never have too much information.
The cholangiocarcinoma was originally isolated to her liver. Surgery was performed in May 2014, removing about 60% of her liver. The surgeon found no sign of further spread in her stomach and chest cavity (he felt around to see if other organs showed any signs during the operation). We found out recently that the margins were very tight. Apparently, you ideally want 1.5 to 2 cm radius at least for the margins outside the cancer tumors removed. Her margins were a rather small percentage of that. We were not informed of that at the time. The surgeon told us that he was confident they got it all.
Her oncologist recommended adjuvant chemo using primarily gemcitabine. It was one of two options offered by the oncologist, the other was more aggressive but since they told her they got it all and since her body was in a fragile state from the major surgery, it was determined that the slightly less aggressive option would be best. That may well have been the right decision even in hindsight because her body did have a hard time keeping up and maintaining a healthy white blood cell count. They had to adjust and reduce her dosages due to the low white blood cell count. The testing of the removed tumors showed it was stage 2 at the time of the operation.
They were originally going to do radiation treatment as well but then decided against it, presumably because they thought it would not be necessary and they were confident that they got it all.
The last chemo was early Jan 2015 and the scan that followed showed no return of cancer. All of her blood tests continued to show positive results and no sign of cancer return. Then, after her six month scan, we were hit with the terrible news that the cancer was back and back with a vengeance. Tumors have been observed in her live with significant metastasis in her lungs and even a possible tumor on or near the spine (with no sign of compression).
My original post describes just about everything that has transpired since that point but I would be happy to elaborate on any aspect if you think it might be helpful.
Again, I pray that you will continue to be free and clear of this terrible disease, and I think there is every reason to have confidence that you will, but just let me know if there is any other information I can provide at any point that might be helpful.
All the best,
StevenAugust 21, 2015 at 2:13 am #89430iowagirlMemberSteven, Please give your mom my regards and let her know that I am praying for her to have strength to get through the latest treatment and that it will have good results for her. I don’t have a lot to add for help as this isn’t something I had to deal with….yet…hopefully never. (I’m currently no evidence of disease after surgery and adjuvant chemo). But, I read all these posts knowing it could be me some day. You are doing an incredible job for your mother and that is what I wanted to say to you. She is very lucky to have you in her camp. She obviously means the world to you.
Prayers and Hugs,
Julie T.August 20, 2015 at 8:22 pm #89433gavinModeratorHi Steven,
No problems and thanks for understanding, I see what you are trying to do now. Yes we seem to have had some issues with people posting something and they hit submit and it does not post so I think they hit it again and it posts twice or more, hence our trying to delete the duplicate postings and just leave one of them if that makes sense! I am guilty as charged on that front too! But like Lainy says, no traffic tickets get issued here but maybe i should give myself a ticket!
And Lainy, ha, Eraser! I will need to hit the gym then to bulk up like Arnie! Just trying to help Rick out so that his workload is reduced a bit, and we all know how busy Rick gets with keeping everything running tip top!
A “cold snap” for you then Lainy…….. but 100, whoa……I would still be melting in that me thinks!
Heating on for you then Momma!
Thanks both,
Gavin
August 20, 2015 at 7:39 pm #89432lainySpectatorSteven, no need to apology, traffic tickets are not issued here! It is all pretty over whelming but we have some computer elves ready to help! The important thing is you are here!
August 20, 2015 at 7:10 pm #89436spaperaMemberMany thanks Gavin. I have been having some issues with the site not seeming to load properly so did not realize it went through more than once. Thanks so much for removing those. I am trying to post again in another forum as suggested by Catherine but other than that, I certainly appreciate you removing the accidental duplicates!
Thanks again!
August 20, 2015 at 6:44 pm #89435lainySpectatorMy Dear Son from another Mum, you are now the official ERASER keeping us clean and green.
Just want to also tell you that after today our weather is headed for a cold spell. It will now be in the lower 100’s, I know how you love the heat!!!!August 20, 2015 at 6:36 pm #89434gavinModeratorHi Steven,
Welcome to the site. Sorry that you had to find us all here and I am sorry to hear about your mum. But I am so glad that you have joined in with us here as you are in the best place for support and help and will get loads of both from everyone here. You have so done the right thing in seeking further opinions about all of this for your mum and from what you say it so sounds like you are doing a fantastic job in taking care of your mum and I know how much that will mean to her as well.
Please let us know how everything goes with all of this and please know that we are here for you as well. And just wanted to say as well that if you are wondering where your 3 other posts that you made in the intro section of the site went I deleted them. It is so not that we don’t want to hear from you but we are trying to clean up any duplicate postings from members so that other members posts do not get lost in the traffic that we get on the site. I only deleted them as they were the same as this introduction post that you made here and the other posts did not have any replies to them yet. I hope that is okay with you!
Looking forward to hearing much more from you Steven.
My best wishes to you and your mum,
Gavin
August 20, 2015 at 5:08 pm #89429spaperaMemberThank you so much Catherine! I will absolutely do that.
Thanks again for the recommendation!
August 20, 2015 at 4:32 pm #89428middlesister1ModeratorDear Steven,
Welcome to our group. I’m sorry your family has been on this journey with so many ups and downs already. I am very sorry to hear the surgery didn’t offer the cure your Mom deserves.
However, I am very impressed with how organized you have been and how much you have done to look into clinical trials and get second opinions. I truly hope the results of the genetic testing opens up some other avenue for your Mom to explore.
If not too much trouble, a suggestion might be to copy/paste your post under introductions so more of our members may see it.
http://www.cholangiocarcinoma.org/punbb/viewforum.php?id=18
Best wishes – please keep in touch,
Catherine
August 19, 2015 at 4:00 pm #89427lainySpectatorThank you Steven, but truth be known I get so much more than I give to this remarkable group of people. Be strong, hang in and hang on to this bumpy ride that no one wants to buy a ticket on.
August 19, 2015 at 3:42 pm #89426spaperaMemberThank you very much Lainy! You are absolutely wonderful in your support of everyone going through this, which I have seen in your posts. Thank you so much for your tremendously kind words and all that you do. You are amazingly kind and thoughtful!
Sincerely,
StevenAugust 19, 2015 at 3:12 pm #89425lainySpectatorDear Steven, I am so sorry to read about your Mother’s CC journey but know you have found the right place for CC support. You have done absolutely EVERYTHING you can do to be a great advocate. I should say you have done everything RIGHT, it is the CC that is wrong! I am crossing everything I have to wish that the Folfox works. I know others will chime in on this and please keep us updated as we truly care. Below is a site you may find helpful:
http://cholangiocarcinoma.org/newly-dx/
August 19, 2015 at 1:30 pm #11614spaperaMemberDear All, this is my first time posting on this site. My mother Kathy was diagnosed with cholangiocarcinoma back in May 2014 at the age of 64. She noticed she was starting to lose weight and felt a lump/mass on her side when she rolled over in bed one day but was otherwise in terrific health. The diagnosis was a blow to us all but it was isolated to her liver so it was deemed to be operable. She was operated on at Morristown Memorial hospital in NJ in May 2014 and the large majority of her liver was removed. During the operation, the doctor investigated the stomach area and chest cavity and found no further spread so the hope was that all the cancer had been surgically removed. Since so much of her liver had to be removed, the margins were smaller than what would be ideal so as to retain as much of her liver as possible. The biopsy came back showing that the cancer was at a stage 2 point so there was concern of microscopic spread which lead to the doctors putting her on a chemo regime of primarily gemcitabine, which had to be altered/reduced slightly in dosage to account for her body’s difficulty in tolerating the chemo (her white blood cell count was consistently low and she had to be hospitalized once with infection). Her last gemcitabine chemo treatment was January 2015 and the CAT scan that followed showed no return of the cancer, so we were thrilled. The plan then was that she would be monitored on a rolling 6 month basis just to make sure no other issues arose.
We were devastated when we found out from her 6 month scan in late June/early July that the cancer had not only returned, but it returned rather aggressively and had metastasized to her lungs. Since they were focusing on the lower part of her stomach, they followed up with a more broad scan and found small spots in her upper lungs as well and even an indication of metastasis to her spine (no compression). As soon as we found out it was back, we began looking all over the country (and beyond) for possible treatment options. Her doctor recommended FOLFOX but made clear that there was no expectation that the chemo could cure this cancer. We investigated hospitals and trials all around the country, including doctor Rosenberg’s trial at the cancer institute, which we thought she was eligible for after weeks of communication (they even sent a blood work kit to get her started on the trial) but once they saw her scans, they rejected from eligibility for the trial. That was a major blow since we thought there was real hope there considering what we had come to learn about Melinda Bachini and her success with the trial. Melinda’s situation seemed to sound a lot like my mom. We had a lot of medical professionals call Dr. Rosenberg’s trial team but we were told that nothing could be done to get them to allow her to participate.
We got a second opinion from the GI oncology team at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York City, which was largely in line with the opinion of her oncologist at Memorial Sloan Kettering. They offered her the opportunity to participate in a trial that supplemented the FOLFOX with an experimental shot of ADI PEG that is hoped to stop certain cancers from picking up Arginene, which is an amino acid that certain cancers rely on for growth. Because there was no evidence that ADI PEG was producing positive results and the treatment regimen would have been immensely more taxing on my mother, she decided not to participate in the ADI PEG additive trial. Memorial Sloan is also running her blood work to do gene/DNA testing to see if any of the trials for certain gene mutations might be a fit.
Along the way, we also looked into consultations with Johns Hopkins, Mass General, MD Anderson, Baylor, Fox Chase and NCI but none of them could really offer any different hope that made it make sense to further delay her treatment and go through the additional travel. We sent her records to most, but most would not give any partial opinion unless she traveled to be seen in person for a consult.
Given the aggressive spread, based on the recommendations of the doctors involved, we got her started on FOLFOX after about two weeks of assessing all options (and immediately after we got the new scan back). She just underwent her second chemo treatment yesterday (8-18-15). The FOLFOX is administered every two weeks. After speaking with her oncologist, the hope for next steps is unclear. It seems they will scan her again sometime after the fourth treatment and then assess options from there, but it is unclear what those options might be. Certainly, if the FOLFOX is working, the expectation is that she will continue as long as her body can take it but I am concerned that her body may not be able to take too much more. She is convinced that her best hope is for a miracle immunotherapy trial to come along that might offer hope for a cure.
I have been in touch with the clinical trial finder hotline and have over 90 trials that could possibly be a match, but most are not and some are for specific gene mutations that she might not be eligible for. As non-cancer experts, there it is practically impossible to identify any trials that we can know to be a fit for her and worth resting our hopes on. We are in “wait and see” mode right now and that is difficult to accept. We have seen mention of Keytruda on this site and we are trying to understand more about that.
I am planning to have her get a third opinion at this point, possibly at the MD Anderson satellite location in Camden, NJ.
If anyone has any thoughts or recommendations, I would love and appreciate if you would share. I will do anything in the world for my mother. She deserves a long, healthy and happy life, and I will do absolutely anything to help make sure that happens.
I know everyone on here is suffering similarly, either directly or through loved ones, and this community of support is just wonderful to see.
Thanks to all!
Sincerely,
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