New diagnosis of CC- so many questions!
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February 5, 2010 at 12:10 am #35262marionsModerator
Raye, thanks for passing this on. In fact, I had spoken with a physician from Canada who had mentioned the high success rate of liver transplantions performed in Montreal.
herbsgirl….now you have some choices and can go for second and third opinions if you so choose.February 4, 2010 at 11:57 pm #35261rayeMemberMcGill University Hospital in Montreal is now a designated CC centre for Canada. You could possibly ask the centre for advice and consultation for the K tumour. I’m sorry I still don’t have any physicians name to ask for on this. Maybe Marions has one. She’s the fountain of info around here.
February 4, 2010 at 11:51 pm #35260marionsModeratorherbsgirl….Here are some physicians treating Cholangiocarcinoma patients in Alberta:
medical oncologists: Dr Heather-Jane Au
and Dr Patricia Tang.
surgeon: Dr Oliver Bathe
Good luck and keep up your spirits.
Best wishes,
MarionFebruary 4, 2010 at 7:22 pm #35259gavinModeratorHi Michelle,
Welcome to the site, although I am sorry that you have to be here. I hope you will keep coming back as you will get a ton of support from us all and answers to your questions from someone.
My dad was diagnosed in 2008 and his CC was also deemed inoperable from the start. His first symptoms that presented was also jaundice and his treatment was PDT. His specialist at the time also ruled out radiation and chemo at that point hence the PDT. You can search for some of my posts if you would like to read more about my dads story.
My very best wishes to you and your dad,
Gavin
February 4, 2010 at 6:30 pm #35258herbsgirlMemberThank you everyone for your suggestions… keep them coming please!
I will certainly be advocating strongly for dad when we head to the oncology appointment.February 4, 2010 at 2:54 pm #35257scragglesMemberHi there, I am sorry to hear about your mom, my mom was diagnosed in December/2009 She is stage IV so surgery is not an option. She is on chemo though she is on gemcitabine and cisplatin. We are not from Alberta but we are in Toronto Ontario. I would seek a second opinion if you can.
February 4, 2010 at 12:23 pm #35256ashleySpectatorMichelle,
Very sorry to read your post, but Welcome to this site. I have two comments/questions.
1. What size is the Klatskin tumor?? ( certain hospitals do liver transplants ( search “mayo transplant protocol for cholangiocarcinoma” on the internet but there are strict criteria and usually the tumor size is 3cm or under.2. Many times chemo.radiation can shrink the tumor then allowing possible resection. ( although the location of a klatskin is harder because it usually is located where the ducts split.) So keep this in mind.
3. Based on what your doc has said I would definitely get another opinion – there ARE other options and treatment out there. (chemo/rad/microspheres/RFA)
4. you can probably do a search on this site and find other docs in your area..
good luck.. keep us posted
ashleyFebruary 4, 2010 at 3:43 am #35255tstewart4128MemberMy mother was diagnosed in November 2009. SHe was originally told the tumor was resectable and once she went into surgery, they found she had mets to both lobes of the liver. From there they stopped the surgery and suggested she begin chemotherapy immediately. She is currently doing a chemo combo of gezmar and cisplatin and it seems to be working ok for now. Her blood levels are stable, shes in no pain, and she tolerating the chemo well expect for being tired. She had her first petscan last week and there was also a 3cm met to her lung. Since my mother has decided to fight this and not give in, we dont ask how long rather whats next? Anything could happen to anyone at anytime.. one day at a time. FOr now, my mom is here with her family and her grandchildren, shes feeling relatively well and i bless everyday we have together. Please keep us posted and you will see alot of miracles on this sight and it truely does give you something to hope for. Take care
February 4, 2010 at 2:46 am #35254lainySpectatorDearest Michelle welcome to our amazing Family! I am going to try and keep this short as I know you are having a lot thrown at you in a brief time. Yes, it is very scary/frightening and it will help you to read some of our posts. The more you know the stronger you get. No one can give a time limit as we have patients who were given months and its been years. We believe heavily in second opinions. We don’t believe in giving up or in doctors who do. Honestly you will feel better when you get the right doctor and a plan falls in to place. Good luck and please keep us posted.
February 4, 2010 at 2:11 am #35253marionsModeratorHello Michelle. I would also like to welcome you to our board. Peter once said: welcome to the board no one wants to belong to. I am adding: But, so glad that we have found each other. Michelle, I am hoping for someone to come forward with a name for a physician familiar with Cholangiocarcinoma. In the meantime I will also try to find someone. I am hoping to get back to you within the next few days.
Hang in there and many good wishes are coming your way,
Best,
MarionFebruary 4, 2010 at 1:42 am #35252mlepp0416SpectatorHi Michelle:
Welcome to the best little site on the web that NO ONE really wants to join, myself included!
My husband Tom’s Journey with CC can be read under my login name mlepp0416.
As to your question on how much time your dad really has. Well, no one knows for certain! When Tom’s liver enzymes elevated, it took weeks to get a diagnosis and we finally left the VA hospital and went to a civilian doctor who had a diagnosis with one ERCP! CC was a word that I never know until March of 2008. Tom had his rescection in June 2008 and after a long uphill battle of healing, no chemo and no radiation because his margins were ‘clear’ and he was ‘cancer free’ or so they said.
We had a wonderful spring, summer and fall of 2009 and we no longer worried about Tom and his CC. He was cured. However in late November 2009, in fact on Thansgiving day I thought that Tom looked a little ‘yellow’ and just thought that I was looking for a worse case scenario.
Two days later I asked my girlfriend if she thought he was turning yellow. She agreed. I took him to the ER of a local hospital where he had been diagnosed in 2008. A CTscan revealed a new tumor in the middle of the remaining right biliary tree.
We consulted with his oncologist at the Iron Mountain Michigain VA hospital and he told us it was inoperable, that Chemo and radiation would not work and that he should go home and get his affairs in order and that he has 6 months at the most.
We sought 2nd and 3rd opinoins. And we consulted with his original surgeon who did his initial resection. She agreed with the other doctors in that the tumor was inoperable, however, she thought that with Tom’s and my ‘fight’ that if anyone was a candidate for chemo and radiation that Tom would be the one.
We chose to stay locally for his new fight with CC. Aurora Baycare medical center has the Vince Lombardi (GO PACKERS) Cancer Center and they are wonderful. Because the tumor was totally blocking the liver, chemo was out until they can get the liver stented. All his new doctors now are saying that after a liver resection, even with clean margins he SHOULD have had Chemo to kill any cancer cells floating around and that is standard protocal for their cancer center.
The radiation oncologist that he is now seeing set him up for radiation to hopefully start killing the tumor. His bilirubin level rose to an all time high of 24.7 (normal is less than 1.3). We don’t know why Tom did not have any of the side effects of the high bilirubin levels such as intense itching or brain confusion but we are thanking our lucky stars.! Tom had a minor stroke in 2005 so that may be the reason that he didn’t get any of those side effects (that part of his brain may have been damaged??)
After 28 radiation treatments, Tom’s bilibrubin level is down to 9.1 and we feel it will go lower yet. Because of the placement of the tumor, they were unable to get the stent into his liver, so he has had an external drain for the past two months which is also helping to lower the billy level. Next week they will try to stent the liver internally. (keeping fingers crossed on that one)
On the 16th of Feb, Tom will have 23 months in since his diagnosis. The road has been bumpy and has had many twists and turns. Sometimes we feel like we’re hitting a brick wall. But we always try to keep a positive attitude and we have learned to not take a ‘no’ for an answer! We question every thing and want to know why something can’t be tried or done (and they better have a good reason!)
We fired the oncologist who told Tom that nothing could be done as there is always something that can be done or something new that can be tried. Tom will be 63 on Feb. 11th and we’re hoping that he will have many more birthdays to celebrate. We’re not giving up on this one, and neither should your dad.
Have your dad’s doctors thought about putting a stent into the liver from the outside? Tom’s tumor is 13cm from the intenstine and to do a stent via an ERCP the longest stent that they can use is 14cm else the stent bends and he would need a 16cm stent to get past the turmor. But a longer stent can be introduced from the external chest wall, it’s a dual procedure along with an ERCP. The wire from the inside goes past the tumor and the stent from the chest wall is placed onto that wire and pulled into position. This is the way they are going to place Tom’s Stent next week. You may want to question your dad’s Interventional Radiologists on this type procedure. A longer stent can be used with this technique.
Rather than focusing on the length of time your dad has, focus on spending quality time with him and build those memories, take a lot of pictures! This past Christmas we got the entire family, his children, my children, all the grandchildren and got pictures of everyone! It was awesome!
Remember that no one has an expiration date stamped on the bottom of their feet (or on their butt) and no one really knows how much time on has.
I don’t know of any cancer centers in Canada (but I do know that Canada has some great fishing spots!) Do all the research you can and ask all the questions you can!
Prayers are coming your way from Wisconsin, USA.
Go with God and KEEP KICKIN’ THAT cancer.
Margaret
February 4, 2010 at 12:57 am #3152herbsgirlMemberHello Everyone,
I have been following your discussion boards since my father Herb, 58, was diagnosed with CC on January 21. We were finally told yesterday that his tumor is not resectable.
Dad’s Klatskin tumor extends through both hepatic ducts into both lobes of the liver and into the common bile duct. His ducts can not be stented due to the length involved. There is already a stricture in one hepatic duct. Dad has a biliary drain in to help with his jaundice (which was his presenting symptom).
The surgeon stated that he thought in my dad’s case the cancer is slow growing. He said that CC is resistant to chemo and radiation, and would not be recommending it at this time. We immediately asked for a consultation with an oncologist. Hopefully we will see one soon. Until then, Dad will wait at home (he was discharged from the hospital today).
My questions are these:
1) Does anyone know of an oncologist in Calgary Alberta Canada who deals with CC?
2) Isn’t chemotherapy and radiation often offered in advanced CC that can’t be resected?
3) This is a hard topic but necessary: My parents are trying to plan their shortened life together. Can anyone offer any type of insight into how much time my Dad may have? Weeks, months, or years? My entire family would appreciate some honesty with this, as we have been offered no timeframe whatsoever. I know that everyone is different, but is there anyone here with a Klatskin tumor, or a family member of one? What was your prognosis? What treatments were offered to you?
I am so thankful to have this organization to help me through this, your strength in this fight is inspiring.
Michelle
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