New ICC Diagnosis — Looking for Advice
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July 1, 2013 at 11:33 pm #73226lainySpectator
Dear MLayton, welcome to our extraordinary family but sorry you had to find us. You are a CHAMPION as a husband and as an advocate! I have to ask myself WHY? Why are so many people in their 40’s and younger getting this Monster we call CC. Why so many from the West Coast? You have certainly done your homework and your head must be spinning. Honestly once you get your game plan your fright will turn to fight and you have come to the right place. Listen to your gut as it will steer you to the right plan. I know you will be hearing from a lot more members so hang in and BE STRONG!
July 1, 2013 at 11:22 pm #73225scheitrumcSpectatorMLayton,
My wife’s situation mirrors your wife’s prognosis. While a bit older (56) she was in great health and very active. She was diagnosed in mid April with ICC, very large tumor plus several small tumors in the liver, lymph nodes impacted. Surgery not an option.
I applaud you for sticking to your plan and getting treatment started. From my personal experience, I now believe that for anyone diagnosed with advanced ICC, chemo needs to start quickly to stop the aggressive growth and shrink the tumors. Time is truly of the essence. We found this out because 3 weeks after the initial diagnosis, she had to be hospitalized for intense pain. In those three weeks, all tumors had grown significantly as did the lymph nodes. We have now completed 3 cycles (6 treatments) and feel progress is being made.
My recommendations to you are 1) continue to stay close to the amazing people on this board – they have helped me greatly, 2) research possible trials now and in the future, and 3) learn as much as you can about Immunotherapy. That’s what I hope to do while preparing for the results of our first CT scan and the following meeting with our oncologist.
My best to your wife as she goes through this ordeal and to you as her caregiver.
Carl
July 1, 2013 at 10:37 pm #73224jscottMemberMLayton,
It sounds like you are doing a fantastic job researching and advocating for your wife. I am in a very similar situation advocating for my wife as well (age 45, locally advanced ICC, no symptoms, 2 kids…very similar).
I realize you have been bombarded with amazingly bad news lately, but one piece of good news that I saw in your post is that resection is a potential option. The research suggests Gem/Cis has a pretty good chance of stablizing the disease for at least a while, and also has a decent chance of shrinking the tumors.
One regional chemotherapy you might look into is Drug-Eluting Beads with IRInotecan (DEB-IRI).
Here is a presentation that discusses the procedure:
http://www.biocompatibles.com/uploads/document_r/APP20.pdf
There are some papers noted in the presentation that are worthwhile to track down.
Here is a clinical trial evaluating the procedure:
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01648023
Even though this is all based at U of Louisville, my understanding is that this procedure is more widely administered.
This seems like a good option in general, but what made me think of it is that you seem to be choosing between systemic and regional therapy. One interesting aspect of this treatment is that they are now explicitly combining systemic gem/cis chemotherapy with regional DEBIRI therapy.
If the name of the game is to get a chemo response to facilitate resection, then a combined regional and systemic approach might be something to look into.
Of course, I am not an oncologist, and you should not make critical decisions based on my advice, but I do think it is something you might ask your doctors about.
Good luck,
Jason
July 1, 2013 at 9:36 pm #73223RandiSpectatormlayton,
Welcome to the site, but so very sorry you had a reason to be here. Sounds like you are in full fight mode and doing all the things that need to be done so you know that you have all avenues open to you. You are a fantastic advocate for your wife.
I had Extrahepatic CC, so I don’t have much to add to your knowledge about treatments for your wife’s condition. I am sure others will come along and have input for you. I just wanted to say hello and welcome.
Best wishes,
-Randi-July 1, 2013 at 9:31 pm #73222claremSpectatorDear Mlayton,
I am sorry that you have had to find this board but want to welcome you to it. I love your attitude and the fight and determination that you and Lisa have.
There will certainly be others along soon that can help with treatments, resections and chemo. The knowledge and wisdom on here is quite amazing and you have come to the best place for answers and support.
July 1, 2013 at 9:09 pm #8564mlaytonSpectatorMy wife Lisa was diagnosed with Stage 4 intrahepatic cholangiocarcinoma on May 30, 2013. Lisa is 43 years old with no risk factors and is in excellent health otherwise. Obviously, the diagnosis came as a complete shock. Her only symptoms have been moderate abdominal pain and general fatigue for the past several months. She attributed the fatigue to the busy lifestyle of a mother with two small children (ages 1 and 4).
After an initial ultrasound identified multiple liver masses, a CT was ordered. The CT revealed four distinct masses – a very large tumor occupying most of the right lobe and extending into the left lobe measuring 15x12x13, as well as three smaller tumors in the left lobe measuring 2, 2, and 5.5 cm respectively. The right portal vein is completely encased by the large tumor and the right and middle hepatic arteries are also compromised.
A subsequent biopsy confirmed the diagnosis of cholangiocarcinoma. Additional imaging (CT, MRI, EUS, and PET) revealed both regional and distant enlarged lymph nodes; however, no additional metastases have been identified. A biopsy of the distant (aortacaval) lymph node was positive for cholangiocarcinoma.
We were referred to a GI oncologist at our local university medical center in Portland (OHSU) for consultation. We learned that transplant is not an option due to the intrahepatic nature of the cancer. We also were informed that resection would be unlikely because of the size of the main tumor, the multifocal involvement, and distant lymph node metastasis. The standard treatment of gemcitabine and cisplatin was recommended. Our oncologist discussed the potential for future treatments depending upon the chemotherapy response, including ablation, embolization, and regional chemotherapy via an intrahepatic pump.
We scheduled a visit at the Mayo clinic in Rochester the following week for a second opinion. The Mayo team (oncologists, hepatologist, and surgeon) agreed with the initial diagnosis and treatment plan. While at Mayo, a second biopsy was taken for genome testing with the hope of developing some targeted therapies based upon the unique pathology of the tumors.
We also had a phone consultation with an oncology surgeon at Sloan Kettering. The surgeon at Sloan is confident that Lisa could be a candidate for resection if we are successful in shrinking the tumors. The Sloan team recommend starting with regional chemotherapy instead of the systemic approach. As we were scheduled to begin the standard systemic chemotherapy the next day, we chose to stick with our original plan and perhaps travel to NYC for further evaluation depending upon the response to the first few rounds of treatment.
Lisa has successfully completed her first two chemotherapy treatments and so far has tolerated them well. Her symptoms have not changed much in the month since the initial diagnosis with the exception of increased fatigue 2-3 days after chemotherapy. She still has a fair amount of pain from the installation of her port a few weeks ago. We will have the first “post chemo” scan in another month.
Last week at our second visit with our oncologist, we learned that the local surgical team would be willing to consider Lisa for resection depending upon her response to the chemotherapy. After initially being told that resection would not be an option due to the distant lymph node metastasis, the tumor board discussed her case and they concurred that one positive node would not render her unresectable. We were also told that the lymph node could be removed during the surgery.
In addition to the opinions of the OHSU (Knight Cancer Institute) team, The Mayo Team, and the Sloan Kettering team, our medical reports and scans have been reviewed by a family friend who is an interventional radiologist at Loma Linda Medical Center. Our friend reviewed our results with his colleagues as well as a prominent surgical oncologist. The Loma Linda team assisted in the initial diagnosis and agreed with the findings above.
Lastly, at the advice of a CC survivor and frequent poster to this site, we have sent our scans to Dr. Selby at USC for an additional (and technically the 5th) medical opinion. We have heard great things about Dr. Selby and are anxious to hear his opinion and recommendations.
We had an appointment scheduled at MD Anderson immediately after our Mayo trip, but we cancelled the trip because Lisa was so exhausted after so many tests and procedures in such a short time.
Obviously, we have learned a lot about this disease in the past month; however, after reading the posts on this site I realize that we still have much to learn. I would welcome any thoughts, recommendations, words of wisdom, or treatment protocols that have worked for others with similar circumstances. Lisa and I are very motivated and determined to fight this cancer. My purpose in posting to this board is to leave no stone unturned.
Thanks for reading, and best of luck with all of your respective journeys.
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