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  • #92477
    lainy
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    Cathie, prayers going out to Santa Clarita! I know full well what you all are going through as we get so many summer fires here in Arizona. Prayers too for the Firefighters.
    Cathie have you noticed her not eating like she used too? Just guessing but if that is the case perhaps a Nutritional drink would help the energy level. We tried many but Teddy really took to the Carnation Instant Breakfast the best. He loved the Vanilla and I would blend in a banana. This drink can take the place of a meal or be taken with each meal. Just a guess but the nutrition in it can perhaps help the energy level. Is there a reason you feel she does not get the sleep at home? You mentioned the first few items on the list of Signs. Please email me so we can “chat” about it if you have questions.

    #92476
    konniestwin
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    Marions – yes, the gastro surgeon had been monitoring her closely, and we were aware that the plastic stents would have to be replaced. The surgical onc suggested we get that done in March, and the gastro surgeon agreed that it would eventually have to be done, but if she was doing okay, then he was concerned with that procedure while she was doing chemo too. A lot of weighing the risks. She had seen the gastro surgeon just a few days before she left for Arizona and all was well. Since she lives with me, I have become accustomed to her behavior patterns, and after a few days home from Arizona, I knew the excessive fatigue, lack of appetite, etc., was more than exhaustion from spending a week with 3 young ones. Konnie also suffers from severe depression (before CC diagnosis) and sleep is her drug of choice when she starts sliding down that slippery slope. And she is absolutely the worst medical historian and/or she doesn’t mention things she is feeling or noticing because she knows it will probably mean a trip to ER or to her doctor – that’s been detrimental to her several times since her diagnosis. It’s frustrating as a caregiver, but in the end it’s her choice and decision. Her primary care doctor who saw her every day while she was in the hospital told us that the chemo is not working (from the test results). He has always been bold and outspoken about it which is good for us because we often feel that we are aren’t getting the truth. At least that gives us information to talk to the oncologist about. Lainey – she is still extremely fatigued. We were gone over the weekend so she went to stay at her own house with her cat and husband – I could tell when I spoke to her this morning that she wanted to stay for a few more days so she could sleep. She declined going out for dinner tonight (which is very rare). When she is at our house, while I encourage her to rest as much as possible, I try to get her up and moving around and get her involved in some activities. I’m wondering about those first items on your list … Thanks again for all your support and encouragement. We are in the midst of a major fire here in Santa Clarita, CA – fortunately, we are safe for now but so many of our friends have lost their homes or have been forced to evacuate. Please keep Santa Clarita in your prayers!

    #92475
    marions
    Moderator

    konnie……Stents are a problem in that they clog and in your sister’s case, 8 months was pushing it. Replacements are required anywhere from 8 weeks to 3 months, hence I wonder whether she had been made aware of this. Regarding a second opinion, there is only so much one can do. Ultimately, your sister has to have some control and she is exercising it by choosing her own healthcare provider. With the new stents in place, your sister should regain some of her strength, but it can take a few more days.
    I hope for good days ahead.
    Hugs,
    Marion

    #92474
    lainy
    Spectator

    Dear Cathie, is it not unfair to have CC then also have other krap along with it? If she had clogged stents which called for the stent change that could be a big reason why she feels so sick. Hopefully she will start feeling better in a day or 2 as after the stent change feeling better usually occurs within a few days. Sending and hoping for the very best.

    #92473
    konniestwin
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    I guess the rest of my post from yesterday didn’t make it for some reason. Konnie ended up in the hospital on 7/15 – required removal of 2 plastic stents placed in December after a week of sheer fatigue, no appetite and amber urine last 2 days. Doing a little better but extreme fatigue persists. May be interaction with some of her other Meds. Dr’s ran a lot of cardiac testing – showing decline and other issues with the heart. Will see oncologist on 8/4 – he says no chemo until then – fortunately this a new oncologist with COH who has seen Konnie before but not in the context of review of chemo and options. Otherwise she refuses to go for second opinion outside of COH. So many questions – chemo affecting her heart, other Meds, etc.

    #92472
    debnorcal
    Moderator

    Cathie,

    Thanks for the update. I’m so glad your sister had a chance to visit with family. Spending time with her grandchildren probably lifted her spirits!

    Debbie

    #92471
    lainy
    Spectator

    AW, wish I had know as perhaps we could have had a lunch together. I got your email and request is sent. I am here if you need me.

    #92470
    konniestwin
    Spectator

    It’s been awhile since I posted an update on my sister. She was able to go to Arizona and see her three grandchildren in Arizona for a week in early July. She came back exhausted as expected and slept a lot.

    #92469
    lainy
    Spectator

    Dear Cathie, welcome to our remarkable family and the best place to be for CC support. I am so very sorry you had to find us for your twin Sister, Konnie. As mentioned previously we are huge believers in 2nd and even 3rd and 4th opinions. All Doctors can see things differently and then you can weigh the differences and suggestions. We have had quite a few members who were diagnosed with spots in the liver and after treatment with the right chemo they went on to have surgery. Wishing you and your Sister the very best and please do keep us updated on her progress as we truly care.

    #92468
    debnorcal
    Moderator

    Cathie,

    I also urge you to obtain a second opinion from a physician that has expertise with CC. These physicians are on the front lines, seeing and treating many patients with cc, and they have the best understanding of which treatments or combinations of treatments are the most effective for their patients. I completely understand your sister’s sense of confidence in a physician she likes and trusts, but I have also learned that even kind and very bright doctors are not going to be nearly as equipped to deal with this specific cancer as one with a lot of actual experience. The latest knowledge simply has not filtered out to the general oncologists and so they have a palliative approach rather than an aggressive approach to treatment. Please tell your sister that it is now quite common for patients to seek second opinions from specialists, and most doctors understand that and do not get offended.

    Wishing Konnie all the best.

    Debbie

    #92467
    marions
    Moderator

    Cathie….convincing your sister of the need to consult with another physician will be the harder part, as she has formed a bond with her doctor. It may very well turn out that the UC physicians agree with the current approach of her treatment, but you would want be sure of that. Not only do major institutions conduct in-house clinical trials, but the volume of patients treated, lend to experience and knowledge otherwise not obtainable.
    The below links provides information of 2 USC physicians “very” familiar with this cancer.
    http://cholangiocarcinoma.org/the-cholangiocarcinoma-foundation/advisory-boards/clinical-science-advisory-board/
    and this one:
    http://cholangiocarcinoma.org/the-cholangiocarcinoma-foundation/advisory-boards/general-science-advisory-board/

    Good luck, dear Cathie, and please stay in touch.

    Hugs
    Marion

    #92466
    konniestwin
    Spectator

    Thank you Marion. My name is Cathie by the way. I read the printed info on the neulasta that City of Hope gave us at the time of the injection but will go on the website for further research. i am going to ask Konnie about a second opinion – when we discussed it before she didn’t want to go for it because she liked her doctors but after these few months it’s becoming more apparent that we should seek a second opinion. She has so many doctors and none of them are associated i … We are at a satellite office for City of Hope and I was even going to suggest a second opinion by one of the other COH oncologists she really likes in Mission Hills where she gets her chemo. But I’m sure her insurance would cover USC too. Thanks for the nudge in that direction.

    #92465
    marions
    Moderator

    konniestwin….. we have reports of pain in left upper stomach spreading up to shoulder related to the Neulasta injection. If the physician doesn’t can’t confirm then you may want to look at their website http://www.neulasta.com, or call 1-844-696-3852 (1-844-MYNEULASTA).
    https://www.neulasta.com/learn-about-neulasta/side-effects/?WT.z_co=A&WT.z_in=FN&WT.z_ch=PDS&WT.z_st=&WT.z_mt=&WT.z_pdskw=&WT.z_ag=&WT.z_se=G&WT.srch=1&WT.z_prm=__&WT.mc_id=A_FN_PDS_G______#sthash.cl5ZcSWZ.dpuf

    No matter how much we like our physicians and how experienced he/she is, obtaining a second opinion has become standard of care. If it were me, I would get in touch with USC.

    Hugs,
    Marion

    #92464
    konniestwin
    Spectator

    I should add that at Konnie’s last visit with the oncology surgeon, the tumors had not grown, but there were more spots on the liver and he again stated that surgery was very unlikely. Continue with chemo as more of a maintenance but would re-visit in 3 months. Since the vancomyocin/probiotics, she has had no fever after chemo treatments.

    #12538
    konniestwin
    Spectator

    Hi all, I’ve been on this discussion board for awhile but haven’t introduced myself. Sorry for being so rude! My twin sister, Konnie, was diagnosed with CC on January 1st (that’s a great way to start the new year – NOT!) after spending about a month in the hospital with severe liver issues. She almost died there, so thankful she is still with us. We just celebrated our 61st birthdays (but we say we are 30-1/2). In 2004 she had an abdominal CT scan done and there were two “lesions” discovered in her liver. All the doctors indicated they were most likely benign, and because she had other health issues and surgeries, recommended against doing any biopsy. This was the same advice we received as the “lesions” were followed over the years. The last CT done in 2009 showed no growth and she had no symptoms – and the issue was again discussed with doctors in 2011 or thereabouts with the same advice. Around November of last year she started feeling flu-like, and admits that her urine had been a darker color for awhile, but could not really give an onset date. She had severe jaundice and her liver function tests were off the charts. Fortunately, because of all of her other health issues, I have maintained copies of all of her medical records since 1997, and was able to provide the doctors with her past imaging reports and records regarding the liver lesions. The whole time Konnie was in the hospital in December the lesions were discussed, and once again, we heard the word “benign” frequently. Because Konnie had gastric bypass surgery in 2006, getting stents in place was difficult and took two or three separate procedures. They finally got them in, and were able to get some samples of the bile duct for biopsy. It’s been a whirlwind since diagnosis – I know many of you are very familiar with that. We were referred to a oncology surgeon at City of Hope in Duarte, CA who was wonderful – one of the best doctors I have ever dealt with (after 45 years in law and the medical malpractice field, and being a family caregiver to many, I’ve worked with a lot of doctors!) He said that surgery was most likely not possible but wanted her to start chemo – which she did. She had the issue of post-chemo fevers that were at first controlled by tylenol, but each fever got worse, which required the dreaded ER visit … at one visit the doctor put her on antibiotics as a precaution and the fever subsided but because her liver function tests were off the charts again, kept her a few days. The 4th day the fever was raging and she had severe diarrhea and was diagnosed with c-diff. A week in the hospital and she was finally able to go home. Her CA-19 when she left the hospital on 1/1/16 were around 109 (they had been much higher before stent placement) and they have progressively gone down since the chemo – a month ago they were 38.5 – now they are up to 60. She had another bout with c-diff and a week hospital stay the next chemo she took, and the ID doctor kept her on vancomyocin plus some probiotics which have kept the c-diff in check. Her white cell count was very low last week (1.4) so she couldn’t have chemo. Dr. gave her a neulasta shot and she experienced the bone pain – but something else. A pain coming up from her left mid-abdomen, up through her chest (she says her heart), up over both shoulders and into her back. It happens when she sits or when she changes positions laying down. No shortness of breath. She saw her oncologist and gastrointestinal surgeon the last 2 days and they didn’t think it was cardiac but it was not common. Ended up taking her to ER to get EKG just to be sure not heart related – EKG fine, CT of pelvis/spleen okay, blood work okay. All the other bone pain symptoms have been easing, except this one. Any thoughts or experiences you can share? Her white cell count now is too high but that’s normal after the neulasta shot. Thanks!

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