October 20, 2009 at 8:25 pm #24361
Sorry that I didn’t visit this site so often nowadays. What brought me back is the pain that a friend of mine died from cancer 卵巢癌。(To whom I sent from China the medicine but she did not use. ) For your question 1, it is actually their recoomendation that chemotherapy goes together with the Chinese herb of which Tian Xian Liquid is one sort and main medicine I believe. Wan Zhen guo became to be known with Tian Xian Liquid, there are now more chinese medicine used in the hospital. question 2, my partner was asked to stay there continuosly for 6 months, but he stay there maximum one month, normally 3 weeks, then he come back for 2-4 months, in total he did about 6 months still but in 6 times in 2 years. Question 3, Each time he got one treatment like embolisation, plus each day injection of liquid version of chinese herb (extraction). My parnter just came back from a visti to the hospital along with his business trip. He brought back the chinese medicine, one of that is Tian Xian Liquid, he start to use it again. He receive check each 3 months now, so far everything is fine.
By the way, I check email more often, if question would like quick answer, email me then.
Best wishes to all who read this.September 10, 2009 at 8:55 am #24360violaMember
Lucian, may I ask some question about Tian-Xian liquid?
1. Do you know if Tain-Xian liquid disturb chemotherapy? Do you see people use Tian-Xian liquid and receive chemotherapy simultaneously in Wan Zhen Guo’s hospital in China?
2. How long did you stay in that hospital? In average, how much money do I need for receiving treatment in Wan Zhen Guo’s hospital per month?
3. Besides Tian-Xian liquid, did your husband receive other treatment in Wan Zhen Guo’s hospital?
I live in Taiwan. From internet, I saw some people had amazing treatment result by drinking Tian-Xian liquid in Taiwan and Japan. Of course, most of them are diagnosed with other cancer. But I also found a person who is also diagnosed with cholangiocarcinoma and live in Taiwan. He went to Wan Zhen Guo’s hospital and after six month, PET scan result showed there are no tumor in his body. So I’d like to know more about Tian-Xian liquid and Wan Zhen Guo’s hospital.
All the best wishes for you.August 25, 2009 at 8:54 pm #24359
Some small detail I still found interesting to share: Before the operation, MOnday was teh operation, the Friday before it at late afternoon we had a talk with the surgeor as routine, that was hte first time we saw the surgeor, very friendly chat over all the last 2 years. The surgeor said that maybe it was diagnostics wrong, maybe it was something else than CC— It was first time for him to look close at my partner’s case. I was surprised but luckily I remembered and mentioned the high number of CA199 of 2 years ago, then he said in that high number the wrong diagnostics cannot be. From my questioning at the other chance seeing the doctor again after operation, I got the feeling that IF he was not convinced that it was CC, the resection process might be something else; Because the biopsy was clear, and he said he saw something SEEMS to be not normal but my understanding is that he didn’t really observe tumor during his operation. Although this is my understanding, it is pretty clear impression because that is specially my curiority and I did nagging on this. It is that only later the pathology diagnostics result says CC for 3 cent meter. I interpret it as some hint from previous tumor not clear viaible by eye but visible by the pathology diagnostics.
So summery, quite somethings that seems coinsidence but come together to be a miracle. I am still for the chinese treatment. Marion’s conclusion of that true extent of this cancer only can be determined by observation during surgery is not what I meant and what I can conclude. It is a pity I did not have chance to talk to teh surgeor after the pathology report, otherwise I might understand better.July 9, 2009 at 4:04 am #24358devoncatParticipant
I had those pesky infections too after surgery…it can really wear you out. I am glad your partner is home and things are looking up. I love good news.
KrisJuly 8, 2009 at 8:43 pm #24357
Hello Lucian….thank you for sharing the news about your partner’s successful resection. Your doctor confirmed what I had been told in that the true extent of this cancer only can be determined by observation during surgery. Your partner seems to be recovering well and I wish for continued success coming your way.
All my best wishes,
MaionJuly 8, 2009 at 4:43 pm #24356
It’s been 3 months since my partner had operation, I just update some facts. First operation took 12 hours and 3 days later a second one of 5 hours, second one was done because some blockage in bile way, and part of liver of removed at that time. Part of portal vein is resected because the bile duct was so close to it. That was the reason for so long duration of first operation. The bipsy (coming to medical wording, I am not sure if it is correctly spelling, this seems not a definite diagnostics) show clear of cancer but the pathodology result (took few weeks to get) shows hint of CC of 3 cm in the resected part of the bile duct. So the surgeon kind of verified that CC was invisible as the pet-scan few weeks earlier shown.
My partner stayed in hospital for 6 weeks, later had 2 times some infection caused high temprature, now is everything normal.
I gave up my searching and study and warries when the day my partner decided to go for operation. Thanks for Marions’ support and advice still. All the doctors said it is a miracle and would come to China for further check, but they did not do it which I can also understand. Today when we saw the ocologist I talked about planing to send my partner to teh chinese hospital to get the herbs treatment so prevent from re-occurence, the doc says “why not,March 31, 2009 at 1:02 am #24355
lucian….You are so right in your observation. Western medicine does differ (frequently) from the approach taken in your country and many wonder as to the efficacy of either.
I can relate much to your situation in that ultimately, my husband made the decision about the treatments. That was after as I assume it is in your case, much information had been gathered and several opinions had been evaluated.
The members on this board have supplied this site with an invaluable amount of information simply said, without each and everyone posting their experiences and knowledge gained, this board could not exist.
In order to gain more scientific knowledge you might want to consider reading up on different abstracts regarding the procedure of resections and their individual outcomes. Although, most will be retrospective studies you will however, find some similarities to your partnerMarch 30, 2009 at 8:03 pm #24354
We just came back from the doctor, our oncologist in the hospital in our area, Eindhoven, not the surgery in liver center in Groningen, (last time visit to him was last November,) this doctor suggested an operation, yes, it is a heavy operation, but it is the only chance of cure, even the tumor is invisible from pet-scan, it will come back.
Yes it is kind of westling, and I feel exhausted from it. Operation or not operation, all western literature says operation is the only cure; chinese doctor not operation because it is deep inside body, and the bile duct and parts of that area function much to immue system and cycle system of the body, (my problem is nobody around me understand this clearly.) not like the breast for example, once removed only breast gone, does not affect function of other parts, simply say risk much that after operation situation will be not as good as now. I can only say if my partner’s situation happens to myself, I would select not to do operation, but my partner is again today decided to do operation.
I have many questions not helping me persuading my partner to give up the operation, but I am confident to recommend to the people specially if you do not have other operation. I know there are a lot of question when you look at website and other informaiton about them but i consider because their way of reporting is not scientific, besides how it works is not known, that is why it is not convincing to educated people, regardless these facts, the medicien is effective. A bit more, my partner’s pet-scan result is also exceptional/surprising to the doctor there. They also say people difference, not every body react the same. And there is a saying that if one never takes the chinese medicine before, then it is more effective if he/she takes the medicine. Myself is a chinese, a physicist, among the 7 times my partner was in china, I’ve accompanied there 3 times.March 27, 2009 at 6:49 am #24353quanyinprayerMember
I’m also interested in this option. Mom having so much trouble with that external drainage and the oncologist could not find out why and not to be able to control the vomits that mom experiencing.March 26, 2009 at 8:34 pm #24352elizabethgenoveseMember
Lucian – I would like to know more about this . I should be going to China with my children in August and while I am there would like to consult about the medication (just so happens that a friend of mine wants to go anyway and if I am well enough I thought it would be an interesting vacation). I can not GET my treatment in China as I am a widow and just can’t leave my kids — but would like to find out more about this and discuss with you further as, again, I am seriously interested. Plus, if it is really working, I think that American oncologists should know more about it so that they can offer it to their patients as, realistically, going off to China for treatment is not realistic for most people and it would seem best to be able to share this with as many patients as possible – ESPECIALLY given the dismal experience thusfar with a lot of the treatments for CC. This is especially the case because some reviews of the literature HAVE suggested that the western world DOES need to look closer at Chinese herbal remedies (I happen to be a doctor as well as an advanced CC patient) .March 25, 2009 at 5:41 pm #24351
lucian…A resection can always be re-scheduled. Are you and your partner in agreement and are both of you wresting with a decision as to have a resection performed, or not? Also, are you inquiring as to how many CC patients these physicians have treated
MondayMarch 25, 2009 at 4:14 pm #24350
Did a pet-scan in china and result says tumor is invisible, chinese doctor just convinced my partner not to do operation, though it is scheduled for next week. Next Monday we shall have a talk with doctor here for final decision, likely it is just decision of my partner himself.February 18, 2009 at 10:54 pm #24349lainyParticipant
Dear Lucian, we have to read up on this monster like never before. Then we weigh the pros and cons and in the end we have to go with our gut feelings. Thats the best we can do. Have you ever had a second opinion? I would probably, very quickly get a second opinion. Good luck to you and please keep us posted.February 18, 2009 at 10:15 pm #24348
Saw the surgery at the liver center several weeks ago, he said maybe it is still good to try resection, they will open and see what they can do, maybe cut only duct, maybe half of liver, maybe cannot do anything, seems no other way to forsee what can be done without open the chest. As for what can forsee as result, same as can found from internet, 30% survive over 5 years after surgery. I am doubting should we try to do the surgery or should continue just use chinese medicine which tend to a promise surviving with cancer. I am afraid the stable situation now cannot be kept after the operation, however the same time afraid of loss a chance of total cure. Although should be glad the chance of operation is given now, (2 years, almost, ago when diagnosed, it was written by the doctor nothing can be expected.) I am still doubting……January 8, 2009 at 9:07 pm #24347
It is expensive to us too, we ordered once before going first time to hospital in China for the treatment, the rest got from the hospital in China, there it is much cheaper, though some people says the export ones are better. For my partner’s case the insurance does not pay, neither for hte medicien nor for bills from hospital (the hospital costs inexpensive comparing to europe), but at the hospital I met people from Thailand for example, the insurance pays. So maybe you can try with your insurance company to see if they can pay, I guess you need luck plus tacts to be sucessful on this if you are from a Western country. Anyway if you order you should ask for discount.
My partner still not get an apointment from the liver center yet.
With best wishes
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