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Hi Cathy…I asked after my operation (2/3 of liver removed) about drinking and they told me that a glass of wine now and then was fine..so a few drops of vodka? Hey! But I do know the worry about taking good care of the liver!
Thanks for the recipes Lainy! and your “medicine” of turmeric and olive oil, Cathy. We’ll eat our way to health yet!chezwrightaol-comSpectatorHEy..put do yourself a favor and put a dash of vodka in! And some turmeric…I do that..heard it’s supposed to be VERY good for you (anyone else heard that too?) and it doesn’t taste bad at all! (just 1/4 tsp) and makes me feel a bit virutous!
I promised myself to look at the instructions for the juicer “tomorrow”. I’ll let you know how it goes!
Hugschezwrightaol-comSpectatorMy daughter gave me a juicer for XMAS along with a cookbook. I’m starting this week and will be glad to share recipes with you!
Kathychezwrightaol-comSpectatorHello! I have recently found this board and there is tremendous support here. Where are you located? There are excellent facilities for treating this..Cleveland Clinic, MDAnderson, Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic. I agree with the others in saying to seek a second opinion with someone very knowledgeable. I was told by the first gastroenterologist I saw that he could do “palliative care.” I was horrified! In no way was I going to just curl up and die! I went to Johns Hopkins, having been referred to a liver transplant specialist. He actually had not much experience with Klatskin tumor although knew his way around the liver and was expert in liver transplant. I finally got to someone who was an expert in cancer of the bile duct as well as a superb surgeon and things began to look up for me. It takes some time to wade through all the information and it’s so difficult to make a decision when you’re dealing with the shock of it all. In addition, it is such a rare cancer that the ordinary physician has very little or no experience with it (which is why my diagnosis took 1 1/2 years after a raised liver enzyme count!)…
There are such wonderful and knowledgeable people here…you’ve come to the right place. Do seek a second opinion. Mayo Clinic has a call-in number where you can talk to someone whether you live in the area or not. It is definitely worth finding out all you can….
Best of luck to you.
Kathy
chezwrightaol-comSpectatorHi Sue,
Thanks for responding! How long did it take for it not to occupy every minute of your day!!??? I find I’m dwelling on it more now than I did earlier, but perhaps because the effects of the surgery are almost gone (some problem with incision healing; and pain around the ribcage) so now I’m concentrating more on what to do and how to live more fully…and how to get beyond dwelling on it! I have spent a lot of time over the past several days reading messages on this website and have been truly amazed at all the wonderful people here giving information, support, sharing in the sadnesses and joys. I am so sorry to hear about Kris whom I had just recently gotten to know. I’ll aways think of her when the daffodils are blooming. Hugs back to you!
Bob..Thanks for sharing your story. Hope is what carries us along.
Learning to be at peace with this new stage in life. Best to you, Kathy
Marion…your welcoming note and subsequent messages mean more than you know…Kchezwrightaol-comSpectatorMarion and Betsy….thank you so much for staying in touch..I’m still in the game of “if I live x number of years more my girls will be halfway through high school…or “if I live 8 years more, they’ll be through high school. I know I have to stop this and live each day with them as fully as I can. We have 5 grown children and 5 grandchildren (and our new year’s present was the news we’ll have a 6th early August!). We adopted our two youngest girls, sisters, 3 years ago although they’ve been with us almost all their lives. After such a long court procedure, during which they went through a very difficult time, it has not seemed fair to me that they should have to go through losing me. That’s another issue I need to put aside and get on with it. They are wonderful girls and I hope I’ll be able to deal with adolescence at the same time as dealing with cc!!!
Betsy…I have started (last month) with a psychologist who does a lot with guided imagery..after 5 sessions we’re just getting into more of that. I will start acupuncture on Tues. with a woman who has been doing massage and who is a 2x breast cancer survivor who decided second time round not to do chemo and is at this point cancer free). I have also been working on changing my diet. I’ve lost almost 40 pounds (which I could stand to do!) and don’t want to put any back on, but also want to eat very healthily. My XMAS presents from our grown children indicated their desire to help me in that area! A juicer with a great cookbook; lots of green tea with an electric tea kettle; another cookbook which focuses on many different veggie recipes). I’ll also be doing yoga which I had to postpone because my incision has taken a long time to heal…mainly a reaction to the inner stitches..one of which popped out beginning of Dec. but the surgeon thinks this could be an ongoing problem for awhile. I fully believe that the stress of the adoption procedings (which were very intense) brought on this..which I’m sure many will dispute..but it was such extreme stress that went on for a number of years (yep! I’m going to write the story “some day.”) and the doctor thinks the tumor was growing for 2-3 years before diagnosis (the elevated liver enzyme count showed up 18 months before but the doctor thought it was due to the lipitor I had started on…the next annual physical I had gone off the lipitor so then she seriously started looking at other causes)…Back to the stress, though..I do think it’s a factor in attacking our immune systems so I’m trying deal with my reactions to stress .. but how to de- stress when you’ve got a cancer diagnosis is a challenge in itself.
I have been so impressed and bolstered by the amazing strength and resilent spirits who are on this board. What a gift!
Again, my best wishes for your continued health and I will look forward to reading your posts.
Marion..I’ll get your connection to this web soon. I’m new and have to go back over posts, but you mentioned your son, so I know you have been through a lot and feel a huge gratitude to you for keeping up this website and offering so much support to others…..
Kathy
chezwrightaol-comSpectatorBetsy,
That’s wonderful news…what have you been doing to deal with it? Do you mind if I ask where you had surgery? DId you have chemo?
Did you make changes to diet? lifestyle? I’m still in initial stages of dealing with this (about 6 months)…still trying to get my head wrapped around it!
My oncologist/surgeon also gave the 5 year mark…
Thanks for answering.
Kathychezwrightaol-comSpectatorXeloda was also mentioned in my case…with Gemzar
chezwrightaol-comSpectatorDing! Ding! It’s the same author for both books!! I didn’t know she had another one! No wonder the magic mineral broth!
chezwrightaol-comSpectatorHi! There are wonderful soup recipes and perhaps the Chicken Magic Mineral Broth Soup is the same as the one in One Bite at a Time as she has a Magic Mineral Broth which you make in large batches and then use in the other soups. I just made a soup yesterday from the One Bite…book..with cannellini beans and kale. I used to turn up my nose at kale, but find that I love it in these recipes. Our neighbor put together a book at Christmas time for me of recipes using all kinds of greens. I’ll post recipes that I find especially delicious as I go through his book. What a wonderful gesture from my neighbor which I appreciate. He belongs to CSA (Community Sponsored Agriculture) and every week gets massive amounts of greens, so I consider him to be an expert on greens!
chezwrightaol-comSpectatorThanks for the reminded of the half FULL cup and not being robbed. I’m reading a great book right now, The Crazy Sexy Cancer Survivor and am getting a lot of strength from that. If there are other books people could recommend, that would be really great ! (Perhaps there is another strand going with that. If so, could you let me know? Reading and connecting is a big help to me)
You all are wonderful!
Kathychezwrightaol-comSpectatorHi Margaret,
I go on the 24th for my first CT Scan and will talk to my doctor again about chemo. Thanks for your words. I’m sorry to hear about Tom’s recurrence. My doctor didn’t say that it wasn’t necessary; he said that chemo has not been shown to be particulary effective and that when it does come back , it’s whether there has been chemo or not. He did leave it up to me to make the choice and he did ask me to go hear about the clinical trial which is the gemzar and xeloda mix followed by radiation and xeloda. It is such a gamble, isn’t it. I got very depressed following my decision but I had a lot of support from other doctors in making the decision not to do the trial but I still wonder if I shouldn’t have done it. My surgeon said recently to move on, that I had made the decision that seemed right for me and that my energies should go into creating the healthiest lifestyle I can. I’m glad I found this board because I’ve met people here with the greatest fighting attitude (including you!) and not giving up! I find that I need that positive spirit because I find myself “down” too much. My biggest concern is for my 10 and 12 year old daughters.Keep us posted on Tom. Sounds like he’s doing everything to keep on keeping on.
Kathy
chezwrightaol-comSpectatorThanks, Betsy for the tip. I have also found the cookbook “One Bite at a Time” very useful…wonderful soups and main dishes. The basic vegetable broth to use as a base for many of the soups is very healthy and can be made in large batches and either refrigerated or frozen for later use.
Kathychezwrightaol-comSpectatorThank you both for your responses…I’m sure it is common for everyone to feel nervous, too, about every pain (e.g. my back along the spine is hurting, so, of course, I’m convinced that it has metasticized there!) . I’m trying to adjust to this and am really struck by this site at the bravery and positive attitudes people have toward their treatment.
I was wondering, Margaret, if your husband had any chemotherapy after his successful resection or if his doctor, like mine, didn’t recommend any. What kind of treatment is he getting now? My doctor told me that if it recurs, it most likely will within two years. I have heard amazing stories from people who different friends have put me in contact with. One man is still living, healthily after 10 years (ran a marathon at 72 last year!) and another man is alive 5 1/2 years when he was given 3 months after doctors discovered during surgery it had metasticized to his lungs and pancreas. There are very, very positive, hopeful stories out there and attitude and determination seem to play such an important role!
I’m wondering if anyone knows of a study that is being done using immunotherapy or diet?
Appreciatively,
Kathychezwrightaol-comSpectatorThe trial is one that is being done by NIH, but administered through 7 different centers in the U.S., Johns Hopkins being one of them. After almost two years, JH hasn’t filled up the hoped for 14 slots. It is for people who have had a successful liver resection, clear margins and no lymph node involvement; the category I’m in. It is a Phase II clinical trial.
It consists of 4 rounds of a combination of Gemzar and Xeloda (pill 2x daily), Gemzar one/wk for two weeks, a week off.
This is followed by daily radiation for 5 1/2 weeks coupled with a continuation of Xeloda.
I have to confess that I did not sign up for the trial. The oncologist told me that they follow people for 5 years, but when I looked up the trial on the web, it described it as looking at the increase in longevity at 2 years out.My surgeon at first recommended no further treatment, but then said he wanted me to be informed about this clinical trial. I talked with my GP, a friend who is a transplant surgeon in NY, and again with my surgeon and decided for better or worse, not to do the trial. There are no statistics out on it yet. The one thing I didn’t ask which I wish I had was .. how does this particular combination (Gemzar and Xeloda) differ from an ordinary chemotherapy regimen..what makes this one different.
My surgeon was a bit pessimistic about the success of chemotherapy which has been borne out by what I’ve read on this website. He said that statistics were that cancer comes back in about 50% of those who have had clear margins and lymph nodes at surgery. Does anyone have any different statistics? He said that I am in a category of about 20% where it is operable and able to be completely removed. SO that leaves only 10% that have no recurrence. Trying to feel encouraged, but am rather dreading the CT Scan coming up!
Thanks Gavin for steering me to the clinical trials board. I am so appreciative that I’ve found this board.
Kathy
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