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Sorry for my delayed response everyone – have managed to get Mum away a couple of times in the past couple of weeks, and computer access has been minimal! And I really loathe typing on my phone!!
Back in September, Mum and Dad purchased the house next door to mine, up near Maryborough Queensland, overlooking the beautiful Mary River. It is the most beautiful place and Mum and Dad were planning to live out their retirement there, which was something we were all excited about, naturally. Then in October, Mum was diagnosed with this dreadful cancer, so you an imagine how it must have been to go from such an incredible high to such a devastating low. Mum’s immediate response was to say that she didn’t want to visit her new house again – she couldn’t see the point if she had no future there. Thankfully, she has moved forward from that reaction, and we have managed to get her up to the house twice, for a couple of extended stays! And she has really enjoyed it, and says she feels calm and happy there. I’m so grateful for this. She needs to be down in Brisbane for her treatment at the moment, but she’s seeing that she can still enjoy her house as a “get-away” at the moment, and who knows what might be ahead? One day at a time, and make the most of every opportunity, I think.
Lainy, Catherine and Marion, thank you for your responses, and good words of advice. Do not have any info yet on the keytruda trial, but will post when I do – and will look at getting onto the compassionate use thing right away, Marion. Thanks for the link on blood clots also Marion – it was very informative. Always good to know the “why’s”of things!
Sandie xx
glendas-girlMemberLainy, hope I’ve caught you in time to say all the best for your surgery today. Will be thinking of you and praying for a speedy recovery!
Sandie xx
glendas-girlMemberHi Everyone,
Yesterday we got back the results of the first scan done to see how Mum is progressing on Gem/Cis. She’s had 2 rounds so far, and the response is “mixed”. according to her oncologists. There has been some small reduction in some lymph nodes, but a slight increase in the tumor itself (they think, as it’s ill-defined and hard to see), and slight increase in her other “multiple’ nodes in her lungs. There was also growth in the multiple nodes in her peritoneum and small bowel (we didn’t even know about those) and a new occurrence in her omentum. Also a small thrombus (blood clot) somewhere or other that I’m trying not to worry about. I was pretty gutted to hear that there’s growth and new developments – I was praying so hard for Gem/Cis to really make a difference! The weird thing is that her blood results are showing a continuing improvement in liver function (this has been steadily happening since the start of chemo) and her tumor marker has dropped from something like 40 000 (I think he said) to 13 000. I guess this is all part of the mixed response. At this point Mum’s oncologists want to try at least one more round of Gem/Cis just to make sure of the response – they will scan her again in a couple of weeks. My initial thoughts about this was that if the tumors are growing, isn’t that enough confirmation of how it’s working? But then I remembered the time lapse between scans. The scans they compared this recent scan to were done back in October, just a couple of weeks after diagnosis. There was a period of about 5 weeks between those first scans, and the start of Gem/Cis, where Mum had no treatment at all. Is it possible that growth/new spots occurred then and we just didn’t know about it? and maybe Gem/Cis has been holding it at bay since then? I guess this is why they want to keep going for a bit, just to make sure.
In the meantime, they gave us the good news that a clinical trial is starting at the Royal Brisbane Hospital in February, featuring Pembrolizumab, and they are going to look at whether Mum can be included! I confess I nearly burst into tears at this good news, after the dismal news from the scan. I know that Mum may not be eligible for the trial – she has a thyroid problem – but Mum’s oncologists said that if she doesn’t meet the inclusion criteria, she may be able to apply for “Compassionate Use”. And failing that, there may be an option to fund it ourselves, just to see if Mum responds. I’m just so relieved that we may be able to give this a try!! When I first mentioned Keytruda to Mum’s oncologists right at the start, they gave me the impression that any access at all would be virtually impossible. I’m hoping like crazy that that’s about to change.
So continuing on the emotional rollercoaster!!
Sandie xx
January 5, 2016 at 10:48 pm in reply to: Immunotherapy: Using the Immune System to Treat Cancer #90888glendas-girlMemberTony, I hate to be so cheeky in asking this, but the trials your oncologist is talking about – are they for specific mutations,rather than cholangiocarcinoma itself? Is there somewhere in particular I can look to find out about these trials? When I asked Mum’s oncologist about clinical trials, he just told us there were none going, as this was a rare cancer. I would love to be able to go back into him with something specific to direct them towards. Any information you can help me with would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you!
Sandie xx
glendas-girlMemberThanks for the Christmas wishes everyone, and for the diabetes advice, Tony and Julie. Mum now has an appointment booked with a new GP to discuss management of her diabetes! She has definitely been struggling to get it under control, and your explanations show us why. Mum asked her (now former) GP about her diabetes just after she was diagnosed, and he told her “don’t worry about it”! So hopefully her new GP will be more helpful with what is obviously an issue for her! It’s a bit alarming the things that get missed/brushed aside sometimes. Makes me very grateful for this community.
Hope everyone had a great Christmas! Best wishes for the New Year!
Sandie xx
glendas-girlMemberTiah, sorry to read about your Mum’s struggles over the last month – bladder infections and constipation are no laughing matter, and it’s hard that she’s had to endure so much, especially over the Christmas period! I hope her doctors have somehow managed to get this under control for her. It’s awesome news though that she’s had such a great response to treatment! I feel for you, when you talk about your nerves over the surgery – it must be overwhelming to come this far and have yet another huge hurdle to overcome. Your mum HAS come this far though and sounds like a real fighter, and with your continued support will be in the best position to face what is necessary to try and survive this awful disease. I will be thinking of your mum on the 6th, and praying for a good outcome from her visit.
I can understand your reluctance to move away from your mum at this time. When my mum was diagnosed, I was living 2 1/2 hours away, and couldn’t move fast enough to be with her! (and I’m very lucky I was in a position to do so) It’s so typical of our loving parents to put us before them, and your mum’s thinking of your needs first is such a sign of strength and love. Texts and phone calls will keep you connected (though they can’t take the place of being there, I know) Take comfort in the fact that you are doing what she wants you to do, and will be really happy to see you making the most of your career opportunities At least you are close enough to be able to get back to her of a weekend and she will have that blessing to look forward to all week!
Good luck with your move! Looking forward to your next update, and hopefully more good news
Sandie xx
December 27, 2015 at 10:13 pm in reply to: Immunotherapy: Using the Immune System to Treat Cancer #90884glendas-girlMemberThank you Marion, was just looking for info on this today.
Sandie xx
glendas-girlMemberI’ve been gone for a while, so a belated thank you to Darla and tony for responding to my last post, and for extending your support.
Tony, thanks for your advice. Mum has seen a diabetic educator and is trying hard to control her diabetes with diet. She does find though, that after a dose of the Gem/Cis, her blood levels seem to skyrocket – she’s putting this down to stress? After a day or so, the levels drop back down again. I will ask about the podiatrist – she is only into round 2 of the chemo, and so far has very few side effects – mainly just fatigue, but doubtless the cumulative effect of the Gem/Cis will tell on her eventually.
She’s had one appointment with the surgeon who basically just reiterated that she is inoperable, and she has another appointment on the 6th January. I think these appointments are just to keep an overall check on what’s going on – as you say, how the conveyor belt works!
So we are about 10 weeks into diagnosis, and Mum so far is taking the chemo well, much to my relief. They will do a scan after the third round to see if it is having any effect. I am praying like crazy that it does. I am really relieved that the chemo hasn’t knocked her too much so far. She did end up back in hospital with a mystery infection after the first dose, but that was controlled quickly, and she actually seems to be improving as she goes. In fact, she’s almost back to ‘normal’ apart from being a bit tired. She has no/little pain and her appetite is still good. And she is in good spirits, and thinking positively, finally. I guess we all need time to come to terms with the whirlwind that is going on around us!
So we are ready for a quiet Christmas tomorrow, here in Australia, and I intend to make it a good one!! I would just like to thank everyone here for their advice and support, and wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a hopeful, positive New Year. May 2016 bring the best for all of us!
Sandie xx
glendas-girlMemberThanks Lainy, Tiah and Catherine for your responses. It’s good to have people who have been through this to talk to, and give calming advice! I really need it, because keeping calm seems to be a problem for me at the moment, especially the last couple of days, in which I’ve been very teary.
Lainy, I asked Mum about getting a second opinion, and she said no. She just doesn’t want to. I don’t think she can handle hearing the “no hope”thing from anyone else. This is very hard for me to hear because I feel that if there is a different view, we are not going to get to hear it, and maybe we are losing a chance here. But I have never been able to change my Mum’s mind about something once she has made it up, and pushing her will just make her angry, so I have backed off and can only hope she will think about it and have a change of heart soon. I also suggested seeing a naturopath/nutritionist – I’ve found one experienced in working with cancer patients – just to help support her in the lead up to, and during, chemo. There’s so much to read out there on nutrition and supplements for cancer patients, and much of it is contradictory – I feel so overwhelmed just trying to figure out what is the best way to go, I thought a naturopath would at least be able to guide us and make sure that I’m not combining things I should not be combining. But Mum said no to that too. I really fear that the “false hope” statement is the only thing that she has taken on board in this whole mess. i feel very much in despair at times.
Tiah, you are right about the importance of seeing the surgeon – that appointment is today, and I’m hoping to clarify quite a few things, just to get things straight in my own mind. To be honest, I’m not sure even why we are meeting with him – if Mum is considered non-operable, what more can he tell us today? I’m thinking that he is just the guy is charge of everything overall, and so this is a “checking in”thing, maybe? My husband has offered to come to be a “different” set of ears today, which I think would be good, but I haven’t run it by Mum yet!
Catherine, thank you for your words of encouragement re genetic testing. It makes me realise the importance of getting to know the specialists a bit better – having time perhaps to build a relationship, so discussions about treatment are more fruitful. I know that we are only in the “ëarly days” of all this yet – at this point, Mum has actually had no treatment at all for the cancer. The fact that it’s been nearly 6 weeks since diagnosis worries me, though Mum is actually still looking and feeling okay and relatively normal (apart from the infection which seems
to have been managed). I’m taking that as a good sign And that’s another contradiction we have been told. Initially we were told this cancer was aggressive, then that it was slow growing! Then back to “aggressive”by the ONC’s. Reading the boards though, I have come to realise that they can’t accurately predict how this particular cancer is going to travel in anybody – all the stories are so different! That in itself gives me hope that whatever happens, Mum may just be one of the lucky ones who responds well. I just need to work on her mental and emotional well-being which has taken a severe beating.The good news is that my husband and daughter arrived yesterday, and we are in the process of moving into the flat in Dad’s shed. Mum adores my daughter, so this was an instant pick-me-up. Need to get some normality back into Mum’s life, and this is a good start.
Thank you again for your kind and encouraging words. I hope everything is travelling well with you all, and that happiness and good news continue to come your way. I am working my way through the discussions on this forum and am often amazed at the courage, love and resilience shown by the people who have posted. My thoughts and prayers go out to all those who have had to come here looking for answers and support, and I am grateful that this place exists, otherwise I would feel very much alone!
Sandie xx
glendas-girlMemberJust an update on Mum, plus a need to clear my head. We went to her first oncologists appointment last week, and they want to start her on Gem/Cis, but first they have to wait until the infection in her tummy clears up. They now think that the infection was due to bile leakage from the placement of the stents, which has caused something like perotinitis in her stomach. They can’t start chemo until they get this sorted, so she is still on heavy antibiotics (though at least she is home now), and we have to go back and see them on the 24th. I know that they have to get the infection under control first, but the delay is making me nervous. It’s been over 5 weeks since her initial diagnosis, and I can’t help wondering what this has meant for the spread of her cancer. I asked the oncologists lots of questions – for a start,we’ve gotten a bit of a mixed message about where the cancer has spread to – the doctor in the hosptital told us that she has a tumour inside her liver in the bile duct (which is a spread from the original tumour outside in the common bile duct), but that the rest of the liver was clear, but then later he mentioned “corrosions”in the liver to Mum. Not sure if I am just hearing what I want to hear. She also apparently had suspicious nodules at the bottom of her lungs, and one CT showed spots at the top that did not show up in a subsequent scan. The nodules at the bottom apparently did not show up either, but the scan showed that Mum’s lungs had suffered a bit of a collapse, so they were assuming they were still there. I asked about Sirt, but they were not familiar with it, I asked about immunotherapy and they said that was a developing field, and basically that there was nothing really available here for this type of cancer; I asked about getting genetic testing, and they said that they didn’t think that there would be any point…I heard those lovely words “false hope” again a couple of times. They want to start Mum on Gem/Cis, because that it the regime that has proven most effective, apparently. Mum has decided to go ahead and give it a try, but when we were outside the hospital, she used the word ‘terminal’to describe herself, and it broke my heart.
She has a meeting with the consulting surgeon on Wednesday, and I will be there too, armed with yet more questions. This will be the first chance I’ve had to speak with him myself – previously I’ve only been able to speak to the doctor under him. I’ve been feeling for a while that we should be getting another opinion, but Mum just wants to take things “one step at a time”. She gets overwhelmed with all this very easily, which is understandable. and I know that metastisis to the lungs rules out surgery anyway – should we just proceed with the chemo first, see how she responds, then get a 2nd opinion? Or should we see how she responds then see what they come up with next? I asked them about the chance of surgery if she responds well, and they said that would be up to the surgeons – but is there any chance of the chemo clearing up the spread enough to make her viable for surgery? If we get a 2nd opinion will this process hold up treatment again? All these questions just go round and round in my head.
I’ve just moved down to Brisbane to be with Mum and Dad for the duration of her illness, and my husband and daughter will be joining me in a couple of days. I’m hoping that the arrival of her 7 year old granddaughter will brighten her up a lot, and inspire her to fight a bit. And I can supoport Mum much better by actually being here. I’m trying not to feel overwhelmed myself. I don’t even know if I am making any sense
Thanks for listening to my rambling!
Sandie xx
glendas-girlMemberTiah, I am so thrilled for your Mum and you!! The best possible news, that is just so awesome! xx
glendas-girlMemberThank you Catherine. Your mother’s story certainly gives me hope that my Mum will respond well to treatment. It’s so terrible to hear those words “no cure”.”It all comes down to time then, and how much you have left. I’m so happy for you that, despite your Mum’s prognosis, she is still with you two years later and going strong – that’s awesome! Thank you for the the link, and your words of encouragement xx
glendas-girlMemberGood luck for your Mum’s results tomorrow, Tiah – praying that the news is good! xx
glendas-girlMemberThanks Tiah and Lainy, for your sound words of advice and support. And I agree, Lainy, that humour is such an important part of life, and being able to find humour even during the tough times is what often helps you to get through. Our family has had those moments even in the last 4 weeks of this drama, where the ability to laugh has eased the pain. Sounds like it has got you through some tough times too, including the loss of your dear husband, who sounds like he was a fighter!
Tiah, Mum is in Brisbane thank goodness, at one of the major hospitals – she will be seeing the oncologists there as an outpatient. Hopefully she will be well placed then to be considered for trials if there are any available. When I asked the oncologist who came to talk to her initially about treatment, he said that as this was a rare cancer, there wan’t much going in the way of trials. Hoping that changes by the time Mum is ready, IF she is ready. She is still in hospital – Week 4 now – trying to get this tummy problem sorted out. Such a long stint in hospital has been hard on her. I am really hoping they can get things under control and she can come home very soon. This would make such a huge difference to her! When we go back to see the oncologist, I will be well-prepared with a list of questions. I know what you mean about thinking of a ton of things to ask two days later – have been in this position a couple of times already! Carrying a notebook around with me now Thank you for sharing your experience, which helps prepare me for what the road ahead may look like. I’m very sorry to hear about your Mum’s diagnosis, Tiah – you are both in my thoughts and prayers xx
glendas-girlMemberThank you Lainy, for your response. It’s good to talk to someone with experience in dealing with this disease. I have asked to speak to the doc in charge of Mum’s case, and will get a chance to do so when she sees the oncologist as an outpatient on the 10th. So far, she is still in hospital, but thankfully her pain is under control and she is a lot more comfortable and looking happier. The doctor’s think she may have peritonitis, caused by the operation for putting in the stents. They are hoping she can come home tomorrow, now that it has all settled down.
Mum is 67, and in fairly good health, though carrying a bit of weight. She was diagnosed with diabetes about 4 months ago, but was controlling it well with diet and was not on meds.The last couple of months though, she has been more easily fatigued and lethargic, and it seems now we know why. She is not eating well in hospital – just lost her appetite – and I can’t wait to get her home, and try to get a bit of strength back into her.
When we spoke to the ONC in hospital a couple of weeks ago, he told us that without chemo, she would have up to 6 months, with chemo up to 12 months. We will find out more when we go to our appointment on the 10th. Mum says she will give chemo a go, but if it’s too hard on her, she will be stopping. I respect that decision of course – and you are right, it’s about quality. But obviously I am hoping that she is one of those people that copes well and gets maximum benefit from it. I keep reminding myself that she is her own individual, unique person, and that no one can accurately predict what her future will be. I am hoping and praying for the best.
Dad and I went to see our family GP today, and he explained to us that in the major hospitals in our area, teams of specialists get together from all major hospitals to talk about individual cases. He assured us that everything would have been considered and that doctors keep up with all the latest info from around the world. He seemed to think that a second opinion would not be worth it. It was difficult and overwhelming to hear this. Not sure I’m convinced.
Thank you for your advice about being ‘gently in charge” – I think you are right, and will be doing my best to do this. And thank you for your support. Talking helps
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