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  • in reply to: Port Pain #94175
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    • This reply was modified 5 years, 11 months ago by karend.
    in reply to: What do you think about your Chemo Protocol #93932
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    Ali,

    Regarding the ABC-02 trial,

    Bridgewater, et al. published a really wonderful paper on cholangio in 2014. I have referenced it many times in projects I have worked on.

    Regarding ABC-02 trial standard of care chemo (this is Gemzar (Gebcitabine) and Cisplatin.

    Gemcitabine and Cisplatin systemic therapy is standard of care for non-resectable disease if the patient has a good performance status with a median survival of 11.2 months versus 7.7 (Bridgewater et al.,2014).

    Here is the citation:
    Bridgewater, J., Galle, P., Khan, S., Llovet, J., Park, J.W., Patel, T., Pawlik, T., & Gores, G. (2014). Guidelines for the diagnosis and management of intrahepatic cholangiocarcinoma. Journal of Hepatology, 60(6), 1268-1289. doi.org/10.1016/j.jhep.2014.01.021

    I hope this helps you.

    -Karen

    in reply to: What do you think about your Chemo Protocol #93927
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    Here is some additional information that may help in understanding chemotherapy orders:
    This link discusses how chemotherapy orders should be written to ensure safety.

    https://ctep.cancer.gov/protocolDevelopment/policies_nomenclature.htm

    Here are some snippets of info from just one article that talks about dose reduction and dose delays and the reasoning behind the changes to the protocols. Although this article is from 2000, it has good information in it. I have also read many articles that discuss the effect of dose reducing or dose delaying chemotherapy and how this impacts the treatment of the cancer itself, i.e. poorer outcomes or disease free periods, or progression of the cancer. I feel though that providers are of course looking at the person as a whole, and you can’t give a full dose of chemotherapy if the patient’s body cannot tolerate it. Does this mean that a poorer outcome, or cancer progression may be the result? Possibly, but no one would want to give the full dose of chemotherapy to an individual to then have their kidneys stop working, or for their bone marrow to fail. I give oncologists a lot of credit…they are very skilled clinicians in deciding how best tosafely treat each individual person.

    There are however a lot of supportive treatments that are given with chemotherapy to help the patient’s body to cope such as Neupogen to stimulate the bone marrow to produce white blood cells faster, or transfusions of packed red blood cells (RBCs) or Platelets.

    http://www.cancernetwork.com/review-article/dose-reductions-and-delays-limitations-myelosuppressive-chemotherapy

    Treatment Delays

    During the use of combination chemotherapeutic regimens for nonmyeloid malignancies, the standard response of physicians to the development of thrombocytopenia is dose reductions and/or delayed administration of the next cycle of chemotherapy (Table 2). This is also the response of treating physicians for patients receiving combined-modality therapy (chemotherapy and radiation therapy). In the study conducted by MacManus et al, thrombocytopenia forced the interruption of radiation therapy for 3 days or more in 98% (44/45) of patients, 27% (12/45) of whom had at least one measurement of platelet count < 25,000/µL.[2] In addition to treatment interruption, the planned radiation dose was reduced by > 10% in 51% of the cases, vs 11% of controls (radiation therapy only).
    During myelosuppressive chemotherapy, the administration of subsequent cycles is routinely delayed until the platelet count has recovered to 100,000/µL, as mandated by almost all of the protocols for investigations of chemotherapeutic regimens seen in Table 2.[5,11,12,24-27] In these studies, treatment was delayed for 1 to 4 weeks if this platelet threshold was not reached.

    Dose Reductions

    The practice of reducing doses in response to prolonged myelosuppression is demonstrated in the studies in Table 2. In the event of slow platelet recovery[11,24,26,27,29,30] or persistence of platelet counts < 50,000/µL [11,24,30-32] or even 75,000/µL to 100,000/µL,[22,27] chemotherapy was significantly deescalated, often by reducing drug doses by up to 50%
    Thrombocytopenia in conjunction with neutropenia led to dose reductions in most patients who received more than three cycles of therapy”.

    -Karen

    All information provided is my opinion only and is not to be used as medical advice. Please always consult with your prescribing physician for medical questions or issues.

    in reply to: What do you think about your Chemo Protocol #93926
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    Alikemal,

    I should preface this post with the understanding that although a study may come out with a chemotherapy regimen for a specific cancer, there is much room for interpretation. Every oncologist will order differently, and this is not something that I can expound on as I am an oncology nurse. Hospitals also develop their own protocols.
    In looking through the chemotherapy orders (or your very organized sheet!) what I see first is the protocol. This protocol appears to be roughly following the standard of care for biliary cancer based off the ABC-02 trial from 2010. Now I will go through the whole order sheet. I will attach the links to the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) where the ABC-02 study was published, and also Cancer Therapy Advisor so you may see where I sourced this information for you.

    1. The orders state that the chemotherapy administration will be on 1 and 8, every 21 days. (This would be one “cycle”). The ABC-02 trial was to give gemcitabine/cisplatin on days 1 and 8 every 3 weeks (so roughly 21 days). This treatment is to be given in 4 cycles per the study.

    2. The order sheet says Cisplatin 30 mg/m2 and Gemcitabine 1000 mg/m2. The ABC-02 study and the Cancer Therapy Advisor list the doses as Cisplatin 25 mg/m2 and Gemcitabine 1000 mg/m2. Why the slight difference for your order sheet? Perhaps this is a case where the oncologist is ordering based on their knowledge base. You could always ask.

    3. Numbers 5 and 6 in the list on the order sheet- Cisplatin 40 mg- The cisplatin orders state that this dose is to be 30 mg/m2. BSA is 1.48/m2 so 30mg x 1.48= 44.4 mg. Whoever mixed the chemo did 40 mg of Cisplatin even though the dose is technically 44.4. They chose to round down which I will explain in a bit. Gemcitabine 1000 mg/m2. 1.48 x 1000 = 1,480 mg. The given dose though is 1100 mg. Here again, the dose was decreased.

    4. Numbers 1, 2, 3, 4. 1. Dekort I believe must be Decadron, a steroid and a pre-medication to prevent adverse reactions from the chemotherapy. 16 mg looks right to me. 2. My facility happens to give Ondansetron (Zofran) at 8 mg to prevent nausea (another premedication) 3. Benison or Avil, I have not heard of. As it says “antihistamine” on the sheet, I’m guessing this must be something like Benadryl, which I have given as a premedication for many things, including chemotherapy. I cannot remember giving this before Gemcitabine/Cisplatin, but I’m not saying this is wrong for it to be given. 4. Lasix 20 mg. Lasix (Furosemide) is a diuretic to help the body to diurese. The 1000 ml of saline is a kidney protectant as the Cisplatin is toxic to the kidneys. I have not given Lasix with Cisplatin before, but I certainly have pre and post hydrated with saline. Again, this must be oncologist specific per their knowledge base.

    5. Number 7, Emend. This medication is an NK-1 antagonist, or a heavy duty anti-nausea medication that has been shown in studies to work very well to fight the kind of nausea that can occur with Cisplatin, which can be very severe. Cisplatin is what we call a “highly emetogenic” chemotherapy so precautions such as the administration of Emend will help to ward off this nausea/vomiting.

    Now I will explain about dose reduction and speculate on why the entire 1-7 were given the first time, and not the second. Dose reduction is done for the safety of the patient. Your mother is 70, and perhaps she has some other illnesses (diabetes, heart disease, etc.). She may have underlying kidney or liver function issues…I do not know what her lab work would reveal or her health history. Oncologists will dose reduce to treat, but do as little harm to the body, which I suspect happened in this case. This is again why your mother most likely received Gemcitabine alone without the Cisplatin. Cisplatin can be especially harsh and cause the kidneys to struggle, and greatly affect the bone marrow and resultant lab results. (Platelet count can drop markedly, as well as the white blood cell count (WBC), hemoglobin/hematocrit, neutrophils, etc.). Neuropathy can occur too with the Cisplatin, and this will cause an oncologist to dose reduce or discontinue.

    My advice would be to ask the oncologist any questions you may have, and look through the resources that I provide links for. Again, every oncologist orders differently and the information I have provided is my opinion based on experience, but I am not a physician.
    Hopefully this will ease your mind, as it appears that the orders are very similar to the current standard of care treatment with some minor changes.

    -Karen D.

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0908721#t=articleDiscussion

    http://www.cancertherapyadvisor.com/gastrointestinal-cancers/gallbladder-carcinoma-cancer-intrahepatic-cholangiocarcinoma-treatment-regimens/article/218164/?webSyncID=005a7c3b-869c-6ebe-c066-b65e86dcd414&sessionGUID=dc59e930-726c-873e-1474-ab7cea06e3aa

    in reply to: SO EXCITED #93804
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    I’m so excited that I finally get to meet you Lainy! I remember being in Arizona for the foundation one year (maybe 2012?) and we missed each other, so I can’t wait to give you a hug in SLC. :-)

    Gavin- Next year !!! and Michelle, I can’t wait to see you as well!!!

    Karen

    in reply to: Nurses Corner – Professional opinions #89669
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    Strategies for managing cancer- related distress

    https://conquer-magazine.com/strategies-managing-cancer-related-distress/

    Karen D. BS, RN, CHPN

    in reply to: Leaking PTC Biliary Drainage Tubes #91327
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    Gator Jake,

    I looked through your old postings and is it MUSC where you are being treated? This facility appears to have a “skin team” in place. A skin team is generally composed of wound ostomy continence certified registered nurses who are highly skilled in all issues revolving around skin care/wounds/drains. Perhaps your interventional radiology team could arrange for you to be seen by this group when you are there for an appointment? It would be worth asking.

    -Karen

    in reply to: Leaking PTC Biliary Drainage Tubes #91326
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    All,

    I have discovered that the links within the previous post on drainage care are old and no longer work. They are now updated with the new links, minus the University of Washington as it is no longer available, and I have added the University of Utah.

    In addition, interventional radiology should be aware of excessive leakage from the drain insertion site as they will need to assure that the tubing is patent. If all is well and there is continued leakage, I have often times had wound ostomy nurses secure a bag around the insertion site to prevent bile from continually irritating the surrounding skin. You want to keep the skin clean and dry or it will become quite sore after time.

    Information gathered on biliary drains from major centers of care in the United States, search terms: Biliary drain leakage, biliary drains, biliary drains not attached to drain bag, leakage at insertion site from biliary drains

    Stanford
    https://stanfordhealthcare.org/content/ … cation.pdf

    Memorial Sloan Kettering (MSKCC)
    https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/patie … e-catheter

    University of Utah
    http://healthcare.utah.edu/radiology/pr … n-care.php

    The Ohio State University Medical Center
    https://patienteducation.osumc.edu/Docu … yDrain.pdf

    University of San Francisco (UCSF)
    http://campuslifeservices.ucsf.edu/dmx/ … UR0320.pdf

    Beth Israel/Harvard
    http://www.bidmc.org/~/media/Files/Cent … 20tube.pdf

    Common finding: If leakage, attach to drain bag. These facilities say to flush daily with saline and to call if excessive leakage.

    -Karen, BSN, RN, CHPN

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    • This reply was modified 5 years, 11 months ago by karend.
    in reply to: Nurses Corner – Professional opinions #89668
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    • This reply was modified 5 years, 11 months ago by karend.
    in reply to: Ascites #92549
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    Daisy,

    You are so welcome, and I only wish that I could make things better for you both.

    My mother in law experienced jaundice, confusion, ascites, and the “weeping” edema just as your mom has now. I do know how it feels to want to do something, anything to help.

    You are doing just what your mother needs right now; you are a kind and loving daughter who is attentive to the comfort of your mom. Everything that you do, even sitting with her and chatting, combing her hair, giving her sips of water, or putting lip balm on to keep her lips from being to dry, is important…loving….and make a real difference in how she is feeling.

    -Karen

    in reply to: Ascites #92548
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    Steven,

    I will say that in my practice of close to 20 years, I recall giving albumin infusions two times for acites related issues/cancer affecting the liver. One of these times was at an academic medical facility, and once at a community cancer center. I do remember that the individuals whom I gave the infusions were stable, though very ill.

    There is quite a balancing act that occurs to keep an individual safe, and all treatments must be carefully considered and the risks vs. benefits.

    Albumin is a blood product and is infused and treated similarly to a blood transfusion, though it has a lower risk of reaction. It is generally given as a volume expander and must be used with caution.

    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biolog…ionatedPlasmaProducts/ucm056844.pdf

    Your post had me searching through medical literature to see what the experts have to say about albumin infusion for the treatment of ascites/edema, and here is what I found:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3290049/

    “Management of patients with ascities in GI malignancies is controversial”.

    “A logical approach is to individualize treatment. The rationale in the management of malignant ascites involves consideration of survival and QoL issues. Palliative techniques play an important role in the reduction of symptoms, which bear a direct correlation to patient satisfaction and therapeutic choices”.

    QoL= Quality of life

    “The most commonly used means of managing malignant ascites was paracentesis, which was also felt to be the most effective by the group surveyed. After paracentesis, diuretics and peritoneovenous shunting were used most frequently, but there was no apparent consensus as to their effectiveness.14 A survey by Lee and colleagues showed that paracentesis and diuretics were the most commonly used procedures in management of malignant ascites followed by peritoneovenous shunts, diet measures and other modalities like systemic or intraperitoneal chemotherapy”.

    “There is no evidence of concurrent albumin infusions in patients with malignant ascites”.

    It is difficult to find literature on the use of albumin for malignant ascites. Most of what I have found discusses the treatment of ascites in patients with cirrhosis.

    The indications for albumin infusion for someone such as your mother may be if she has at least 5 liters of fluid removed via her abdominal catheter (White, 2014). This appears to be a common reason for the use of albumin, and similar to your mother’s situation. This same article by White does state albumin has been used to “mobilize ascites” although the studies cited discussed individuals with cirrhosis of the liver.
    Outpatient Interventions for Hepatology Patients With Fluid Retention: A Review and Synthesis of the Literature
    White, Asha DNP, RN, ACNS-BC

    There are other studies that I have read that state that the use of albumin is well established in certain instances (large volume paracentesis, volume expansion, kidney disease, etc.), but controversial in others (high blood pressure (hypertension), fluid in the lungs (pulmonary edema), anemia, etc).

    So, I know that I have thrown a lot of information at you, but it is good to see what the evidence out there says about treatment for ascites. I can say without hesitation that in my experience, treatment of ascites/edema is based on the quality of life of the affected individual. I have seen people have a weekly paracentesis performed, or a valved catheter with which to periodically drain the fluid. I’ve also seen medications like Lasix given to reduce the fluid retention, as well as restricting sodium and fluid intake. Other times no measures are taken as the individual is comfortable and treatment will do more harm than good.

    I feel that if I were in your situation, there would be no harm in asking your mother’s oncologist how they feel about albumin infusion for the treatment of her ascites/edema. Perhaps you will find that they may be open to trying it, especially since she is being treated at Rutgers. Although one study I read did not recommend it for use in malignant ascites, this study is from 2009 and new evidence may be available that contradicts the findings of this study.

    Most importantly and the reason for putting so much information into this post, is that being informed and able to discuss treatment with the oncologists/nurses will help you as you advocate for your mother. You never know, perhaps you will spark an idea in the oncologist and help them to consider treatments that they might not have otherwise!

    All the best to you and your mother, Steven!

    Karen D., BSN, RN, CHPN

    THIS INFORMATION IS NOT INTENDED NOR IMPLIED TO BE A SUBSTITUTE FOR PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL ADVICE. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS SEEK THE ADVICE OF YOUR PHYSICIAN OR OTHER QUALIFIED HEALTH CARE PROVIDER

    in reply to: Ascites #92545
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    Daisy,

    I’m sorry for the late reply! It sounds like the physicians have already gone ahead with the lasix, which is an excellent diuretic used to reduce symptoms such as edema in the legs.

    You asked if the edema of the legs is normal, as well as the leaking of fluid. Edema or swelling can occur along with the ascites (fluid/swelling of the abdomen) which your mom is experiencing.

    It is somewhat complicated to explain, as there are several things that can cause what is called dependent edema of the lower extremities…one being a liver that is having difficulty functioning. Your mom’s albumin level is quite possibly low because of the cancer and decreased appetite/nutrition which is no fault of her own and is common. (Albumin is a protein manufactured in the liver). With a low albumin level, fluid in the body that is normally within the vessels will leak out causing ascites and eventually the edema of the legs that you see. When the tissues in your mom’s legs are unable to retain this excess fluid that is not within the vessels, it will leak out. Sometimes fluid filled blisters will form as well.

    I personally have never used sanitary pads to absorb the fluids, but I think that it was probably a good and safe way in which to manage the leaking. The nurses probably do not want to stick anything to the fragile skin, and want air flow as well. They also need to watch your mom’s legs to assess them for signs or symptoms of infection or other such issues.

    In my practice I have sometimes used large absorbent abdominal wound pads over the leaking areas, which I gently wrap with kling wrap which is a very loose gauzy roll of dressing material. Elevation of her legs is another thing I would do very often as this may help to decrease the swelling.

    Here is some information that is for nurses, but may be helpful for you to read a little bit about edema and fluid leakage from the legs/extremities; some of the issues nurses are watching for, etc.
    http://www.nursingtimes.net/clinical-archive/wound-care/the-management-of-fluid-leakage-in-grossly-oedematous-legs/205424.fullarticle

    The only thing that I would add is that I would not think that compression hose would be used for your mom to decrease swelling. I also think that most likely elevation of the legs and medications will perhaps be the avenue chosen by your mom’s physicians as they are not overly uncomfortable, but are still treatments that are safe for her, and they work.

    From what I have gathered, it sounds like everyone is working hard to keep your mom’s quality of life high at this time- to not cause any undo discomfort for her.

    I hope all of this information helps! I’m sorry that this is such a lengthy post!!! Of course please do remember that I’m not a physician, and the information I have provided is just what I know from my own nursing practice and is my personal opinion and not medical advice.

    I advise you to ask as many questions as you need to from your mom’s physicians/nurses to get the answers that you need.

    And lastly, what a wonderful daughter you are to search for everything that you can to help your mom, and I will be thinking of you both!

    -Karen D., BSN, RN., CHPN

    in reply to: ASCO 2016, Chicago – reporting back #92388
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    Great picture!

    -Karen

    in reply to: Nurses Corner – Professional opinions #89662
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    You’re welcome Gavin! Hope all is well across the pond! :-)

    -Karen

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