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Dear All,
I though I should update you on Mum’s journey with CC.
As a brief recap, Mum was diagnosed with CC following hip replacement surgery in March 2014. A biopsy of the hip bone was taken which showed she had advanced CC (IV) with secondaries/specs appearing at that time in about 3 other locations as well as a 7cm tumour in the right lobe of the liver and some other smaller satellite lesions in the liver.
We were told back in March 2014 that Mum’s age (72) and the staging/presence of secondaries meant that a surgical option was not basically available.
Mum had her hip replacement surgery and then rather valiantly launched into a GEM/CIS chemo programme.
We were basically told back in March 2014 that Mum might only last for a few months. She is still here…and still (rather miraculously) continues to valiantly fight back!!
Mum’s liver function throughout from diagnosis last year to the present day has been fine.
Mum’s programme of treatment for CC has been 8 cycles of GEM/Cis which she was able to tolerate very well between March 2014 and September 2014 The GEM/CIS did a mop up of the secondaries and kept the tumour in the liver stable for over 7 months. Mum did very well on GEM/CIS chemo.
We then became a little bolder and decided to try SIRT to get some shrinkage of the tumour in the liver.
Mum had to come off chemo to have the SIRT treatment. She had two SIRT treatments. One in November 2014 and in early February 2015. We have just received latest PET /CT scan results. It does not look as though SIRT has worked for Mum…which is obviously very disappointing.
The only good thing perhaps for Mum in having SIRT is that it produced no bad side effects….for both separate treatments…other than her feeling tired.
The latest scans are showing progression in the liver and elsewhere in the bones. We had to gamble (to come off the chemo) to have the SIRT. Mum has been off chemo between October 14 to March 26th, 2015. Coming off chemo was the gamble to have SIRT…and regrettably it has not for Mum paid off.
Mum went back onto GemCIS this week. Let’s pray it will kick back in…and give some more time.
Perhaps the moral here might be (and might not be as well) that the oncologists might sometimes be boring and conventional in their treatment proposals and might, for instance, only push a chemo solution (as was the case here). I basically pushed for the SIRT treatment here. Mum’s oncologist was not convinced SIRT would be helpful…and he was right.
We also now have the Foundation One test result back which I will share in a separate posting.
Best wishes
Kevin
kevinjMemberDear Catherine and Marion,
Thank you for your responses.
I have now been through the Foundation Medicine website in detail. They actually have a great deal of very helpful and detailed information on the website. This includes an example of the form of the Report that is finally published following review of the specimen/with recommendations-see link below.
The Foundation scientists et al have even prepared a study paper relating the Foundation One test to CC.
Here are a few of the relevant links from the Foundation medicine website:
( From publications section):
New Routes to Targeted Therapy of Intrahepatic Cholangiocarcinomas Revealed by Next-Generation Sequencing:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3958461/
I think I have enough on this now
Thanks again for getting back
Best wishes & hugs
Kevin
kevinjMemberDear All,
FOUNDATION ONE TESTING
Following a wild run around this week in making contact with Mum’s histopathologists/hospital/oncologist, I am pleased to confirm that it looks as though we have a sample that will be good for Foundation One testing.
I think the Fedex guy collecting the packet/sample from me this morning in London thought I was some looney….I can’t remember having shipped something with so much value to me…and it seemed quite odd that it was a bit human tissue belonging to my Mum with tumour present!!
Anyway…the sample is now on its way across the Big Pond ..to Foundation Medicine in Cambridge MA.
So my question now is what will I do with the Foundation One test results when they came through PLEASE ?
What results should I be looking for from this Foundation One test? Are some results better than others? What happens if approved medication/trials are recommended. What does one do next?
Please remember that this is London, UK . Oncologists may not (will not) be used to looking at the results from a Foundation One test. How can I help them? who should I consult? Is someone who specialisese in tumour genotyping, for example, needed to interpret the Foundation One test? perhaps rather than an oncologist?
Any further guidance from the Community on how I should prepare now for getting the results (so that i understand them) in ten days time would be very gratefully received indeed.
Thank you
Best wishes
Kevin
kevinjMemberThanks Duke. We are going to try to get the slides/material prepared (taken) from Mum’s previous hip bone biopsy in the first instance…and we will send them off to Foundation Medicine to see whether they can work with them. If not, Mum will then have to decide what she wants to do. I am now in direct contact with Foundation Medicine. They are very helpful.
There are two interesting points (perhaps scientific) that arise from this: i) that mets in the bone as a secondary so similarly replicates the primary being suspected CC, and ii) whilst Foundation have said that they would prefer a more recent sample from the liver directly, they are willing to consider some bone tumour mets from a biopsy of just over a year ago. I can only assume that this means that a mutation does not change in relation to where it is located in the body and also that the mutation does not alter so significantly within a year (Mum’s hip biopsy was taken one year ago) to make it such that it is not worth testing.
Best wishes
Kevin
kevinjMemberDear Catherine and Marion,
Those links are REALLY helpful Thank you
I will let you know how we get on in making progress with this.
Foundation One have already informed me that they would prefer a more up to date biopsy than some tissue from last February 2014’s biopsy…but they will accept the old sample…if we want to do it that way. I will chat this through with Mum’s onc.
Thanks again
Best wishes
Kevin
kevinjMemberDear Duke and Gavin,
Thank you for that very helpful advice.
Duke-your own example of the reason for having a genomic test and the outcome/product ie a clinical trial… makes it very much worth doing for Mum (as it might offer some hope for greater longevity). I shall now insist on it taking place.
Presumably all I need the onc (or someone else-perhaps an interventional readiologist?) to do on this is instruct a biopsy for a specimen for the Foundation One testing. Do they need to go into the liver for this sample or can they take it perhaps from an easier location where there is bone mets?
Gavin-thank you. yes—I have found the AMMF website. I agree. It is a very useful resource area for those of us in the UK.
Thanks again for the supportive and encouraging advice.
Best wishes
Kevin
Kevin
kevinjMemberWow Catherine-so pleased to hear that for your Mum.
Your message contains very helpful information.
You hit the point on the head with perhaps your reference to an “adherence to the “Gem/CIS” protocol”
I am happy for GEM/CIS to continue to be part of Mum’s treatment programme…which seems to be keeping things stable in the liver (perhaps it is working much better with the mets)…and which she seems able to easily tolerate.
What I am keen not to miss out on whilst we go down the Gem/Cis path is considering other more novel treatment options/trials.
Perhaps a strategy is to stay with GEM/CIS whilst it seems to be working/doing a decent job…but we use this time whilst Mum is pretty fine/well (her liver function/blood test has/have been normal throughout this…even following SIRT) to look for treatment options that we might consider later…that is why the genomic testing etc is currently on my mind.
Anyway best wishes to you and your Mom
Kevin
kevinjMemberHi Gavin,
Thank you for those kind words.
I agree with your understanding on the limited availability of public funded SIRT treatment in the UK . Whilst NHS England have now approved a number of SIRT delivery centres, there is a criteria that has to be satisfied before one is eligible for treatment. Mum would NOT have been eligible for NHS treatment because of mets/Stage iV .
On diagnosis, this is another odd one. I am not sure we have really ever yet had a definitive diagnosis of CC. What we have had is statements from a variety of consultants: oncologist/liver surgeon/liver specialist radiologists saying that all the evidence/imaging/pathology points to suspected CC.
Mum’s main care is with UCH London (and I suppose they diagnosed her) but we had the SIRT done at Hammersmith Hospital, London…who seem to be the masters for it here. in London…but have not been approved as one of the UK delivery centres for the NHS. Kings College Hospital in London also deliver a lot of SIRT. Mum’s health insurance company very kindly agreed to pay for it all.
It is quite interesting reading the SIRT postings on this website. I have only just recently read them. The posting do not make great reading (i thought) for SIRT as treatment option.!!
Thank you for you thoughts and best wishes to you and your loved ones as well
Kevin
kevinjMemberThanks for the additional welcomes and the guidance on Foundation One Duke. Much appreciated:-) It is a great relief and support to be a part of this Community.
Not wanting to pose a rather depressing question/thought near the outset of my joining (as most of the time I am an optimistic person…honestly) , but my impression from what I have heard from the onc’s here in the UK in relation to Mum is that she is Stage iV and that rather limits what they are able and willing to do in relation to treatment.
Resection is out of the question… apparently because there are bone mets in other locations (but currently being controlled by chemo)…and perhaps because of Mum’s age. We had to struggle to get the SIRT…but I think that was because of the potential complications that can accompany a SIRT delivery. Perhaps a view that Mum should now just be palliated is the reason why we have not yet been offered genomic testing/other stuff?
During this process I have tried to ask what I would want for myself if I was in Mum’s situation. Perhaps it is good to be pushy…within reason? Ruffle a few feathers?? In the pursuit of ensuring one does not miss out?? No good asking for something when it is too late??
Anyway, this website and the information on it, at least permits me to be informed and I will hopefully take the right questions to the onc’s/others for consideration.
Hope you all have a lovely weekend
Best wishes
Kevin
kevinjMemberThanks for such a warm welcome
My thoughts at the moment in relation to possible future treatments options (which I suppose is a potted summary of posting on this site/my research):
1. The clinical trial on LY2801653 : https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01285037, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23275061 looks very promising.
2. Immunotherapy-any recommendations at this stage? Merck’s Keytruda
drug looks potentially promising…but very expensive.3. I am also intrigued that we seem slightly out of date in the UK in relation to genome tumour testing (the testing still being considered to be quite novel/pioneering here ). I am happy to pay for a Foundation One test provided the results are useful in helping to get us to the right trial? Should I get (perhaps insist if necessary of the onc) that we get a tumour genome test now on the basis that it may be helpful in informing our treatment options later? I am happy to pay for it provided it will be useful/worthwhile?
Any thoughts on the above would be very gratefully received.
Medicine in the USA (on this particular subject matter at least) and evident from the posting on this site seems to be slightly more proactive in its approach than medicine delivery in the UK. Mum has private medical insurance so I am not sure why our expectations might or should be lower/less.
Best wishes
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