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Hi Carryall,
The experience with my mother was she went from feeling fine and on chemo, (gem/cis) to progression and ascites. She had a total of 4 paracentesis but only survived 6 weeks once ascites developed. We really wish we were told earlier how much time we were looking at. Unfortunately she was unlucky but some people do survive longer, however her kidneys started to fail as a result of the liver failure.
We had to take her to hospital because she became confused (due to low sodium and also accumulation of ammonia because the liver wasn’t clearing it). They treated a suspected infection which may have been introduced when having the drains. Unfortunately they couldn’t treat the liver failure.
Keep an eye out for any signs such as internal bleeding, confusion, vomiting, jaundice or fever as these are symptoms of infection and severe liver disease, and go to the hospital straight away. Sit the doctors down and ask what time frame you are looking at, however it can be very difficult to predict.
All the best
tiahMemberThank you everyone for your well wishes. Mum passed away at home on 27th on April. She had spent one last night at home with dad sleeping by her side. She was relatively pain free however became extremely weak. It was heartbreaking to watch. She will leave the biggest hole in our lives. We really thought we had more time, but her liver just shut down. She was never ready to go.
Her wish for her funeral is to have people donate to the cholangiocarcinoma foundation and we will honour this.
tiahMemberIt appears we are reaching the end. After one round of FOLFOX mum was doing well. She had an ascites drain about a week later and we went camping away for Easter. While there mum was very nauseous and was vomiting. She started getting confused and became delirious. We left and rushed her to hospital. She had hepatic encephalopathy, she was hyponatraemic and had elevated bilirubin (80). They suspected all was triggered by spontaneous bacterial peritonitis (SBP). Unfortunately they’ve treated the infection and although her confusion and delirium disappeared with lactulose, she has entered into liver failure and they are suspecting hepatorenal syndrome. It’s all happened so quickly. We had the Caris testing ready to go but it’s too late. Although we are seeing a gastroenterologist tomorrow at the hospital (she’s still admitted) we just want to get her home. Palliative care are involved however she is quite comfortable and has little pain or nausea and she is still eating, but she is sleeping more each day.
Thank you so much for your well wishes and support through our journey. We never thought mum would decline this quickly – 2 weeks ago she was fine. It’s heartbreaking. And I’m angered because I feel more could have been done earlier for her, but a gutless surgeon decided not to operate.
tiahMemberSadly no good news. Tumor has grown and is pushing on the portal vein causing the portal hypertension which is causing the ascites. So gem/cis has failed. I asked about any other chemo – we can go on FOLFOX if we like. Mum did have response to FOLFIRINOX when first diagnosed.
I asked about MRR, MSI which is signs for response to immunotherapy (i.e. Keytruda) and they are negative. He said we can try Keytruda if we want, we would have to pay though. Chances of response are incredibly low but we know that MSI isn’t the definitive test to know if you will respond to immunotherapy and some patients have responded without this. Besides this he said he has nothing else for us. He said there are no clinical trials in Australia she is suitable for right now. He also offered a referral to palliative care however we don’t feel we will need this right now. She has been prescribed Furosemide and Spironolactone for the fluid and we will see how she responds. We noted after the 2 drains her Albumin dropped slightly.We have decided we will go for Caris testing. I asked about many genes, he said there aren’t drugs for them (e.g. IDH1, FGFR) but after much research I have seen a bit around, the one drug for IDH1 in the US has showed promising results.
We have sent the scan to the surgeon in Sydney, however we aren’t holding our breath for a miracle from him. I wish we got his opinion far far earlier.
Our oncologist said he called colleagues all across Australia and couldn’t find anything for her. Heartbreaking to hear. We will try the FOLFOX, await Caris testing and see how we go.
What if she has a mutation and there’s a trial drug in the US? Can we even purchase it?
tiahMemberThanks Lainy. It’s beyond frustrating because side from the ascites mum is very well. Her chemo nurses even said today she looks well and she says she feels well other than the ascites discomfort. Still no mets. She’s eating/drinking fine and very little pain apart from the occasional localized pain at tumor site. It’s hard to accept we’re running out of options.
Her CA19-9 is still low as always has been, her bilirubin is only slightly elevated (16), so minimal it’s clinically irrelevant. Her GGT is sitting around 800 and her ALP sitting at 400 AST and ALT normal. Kidneys function is excellent despite cisplatin.tiahMemberRough news. Mum has been experiencing ascites and she’s had 2 parascentesis, one today and one a week ago. She’s due for her next CT scan tomorrow, however her oncologist popped in today while having the fluid drained and said he thinks the ascites is due to the cancer growing. Not the news we want to hear. He also mentioned about a permanent drain so she doesn’t have to return for continuous ones, however he said he will discuss it tomorrow after the scan. I’m not happy about the permanent drain considering infection risk and the fact we haven’t even tried diueretics, low salt diet and fluid restrictions so I will mention this tomorrow.
I think it’s time we get Caris or Foundation One testing. We are really running out of options and I feel we could be getting to a stage where they will want to go to a palliative route if the ascites continues. Has anyone been in a situation like this where ascites resolves? Could it be due to the gem/cis chemotherapy?
Anything else you can think of I should ask the onc tomorrow?
tiahMemberHi everybody, thought I would just let you know that we are having some positive response to the gemcitabine/cisplatin, with the first scan showing shrinkage and no spreading! We were quite happy to hear. We are still yet to get an opinion from the other surgeon, we will likely see him once mum has ridden out the rest of the gem/cis. So we are not sure where to go next after this chemo.
She seems to be tolerating it okay, main issues are neutropenia and low platelet counts which have caused chemo to be delayed a couple of times. One time I pushed the oncologist for a few days of filgrastim, which was times well as she managed to catch a cold that thankfully didn’t progress into anything worse. She’s also had some mild cellulitis on her face which I caught on early to and ensured it was treated with antibiotics.
Besides that, she’s having some problems with pain in the bowels, which gets worse after chemo. Likely due to mucositis.
tiahMemberHi Lynn,
I’m not sure what gregs INR level was when he had the internal bleeding or what he is specifically taking it for but generally INR targets are between 2 and 3 (sometimes higher if there’s been a heart valve replacement. I would be getting on to the doctors asap as once warfarin is stopped the INR drops within days and it may just be a case of his INR being too high (blood being too thin) at the time and may require a lower warfarin dose. Unfortunately with Cholangiocarcinoma being a liver disease this means some patients also cannot synthesize clotting factors as easily meaning it makes the INR go up easily too!
Hope this information helps.
Have a wonderful Christmas and best wishes to your family.
tiahMemberDear Rosina,
Welcome to this board. I was very fortunate to find this board when my mother was diagnosed with cholangiocarcinoma back in August 2015. This disease can be particularly isolating because it is so uncommon, and furthermore being in a smaller country like Australia means there is even less of us going through this that can offer advice and support.
I have read of many patients who have undergone chemo due to being inoperable and then become a candidate for surgery after some shrinkage with chemo, so keep this in mind as a motivator for your brother during his chemo! Hopefully as he is young and (hopefully) in good health otherwise he will tolerate chemo quite well. May I ask what chemo regimen he is having? My mum is currently having gem/cis (she has also completed FOLFIRINOX in the past) and because she is still considered ‘young’ (50 years old) and she was in very good health otherwise she has tolerated all her chemo very well other than the occasional mild side effect. Please keep this in mind also
All the best for your brother and your family at this difficult time. Please keep us updated!
tiahMemberHi Reacher,
If the ascites is concerning you I would definitely discuss this with your husbands oncologist. I’m not sure if it is definitely a side effect of the Pembrolizumab but ascites is not uncommon in liver disease and so you should get it checked out.
-tiah
tiahMemberMum started her Gemcitabine/Cisplatin chemotherapy last week. First week was tolerated well. Some mild nausea, but beside that her energy levels have been okay and no other symptoms so far. She went today to have her second dose as part of cycle 1, however her platelets came back at 50 x 10^9/L (it was at 90 before her first dose of chemo) and they said they had to delay. They will try and do the chemo in a weeks time if her platelets are okay. Her localised liver pain has eased since chemo and her shoulder nerve pain has been near non existent which the oncologist saw as a positive sign.
We finally got all the referrals sorted to see the surgeon in Sydney so hopefully we can go see him soon also.
tiahMemberMum heard from the oncologist today. Apparently she is not able to have ablation and also chemo embolization is not an option for her. I asked her why but she said she was so frustrated at how long it took for her onc to get back to her she barely listened. So gem/cis is going ahead, starting next week.
Feeling to frustrated. I need to push to find the molecular profiling of her tumor, it seems the oncologist isn’t clear on if she has or hasn’t had this done. While we are okay with chemo, inevitably it may control the tumor short term but long term we need to do something, otherwise without intervention it will continue to progress
Mum had a referral written by her GP for a second opinion by a surgeon in Sydney, and got the offices of her team of drs to forward her scans and letters to him. Once he receives them he will have a look and then contact her if he wishes to see her.
tiahMemberHi everyone,
Mum had a follow up CT scan on Monday. Since last checking in Mum has not had any further treatment.
Today she saw her Oncologist, who said that there are no new mets (yay!), however the primary tumour has grown a few mm in size, which wasn’t the best news we wanted to hear given she had SIRT 5 months ago.
Unfortunately I was unable to attend the appointment, but mum asked about if she could have repeated SIRT treatment however her oncologist said she “already had a lifetime of radiation” and it wasn’t appropriate. I found this information conflicting given that there has been studies showing the safety profile of repeated SIRT treatments and there’s even people on these boards who have had repeated treatments also. So I have told mum to ask her oncologist (who will be calling her in the next few days) for a review by the doctor who performed the SIRT.
So the next step, as per the oncologist, is to discuss with the surgeon the possibility of microwave ablation on the primary tumour. I understand the tumour is very large so this will be difficult. The oncologist said if this isn’t possible she will be starting gemcitabine/cisplatin very shortly. I’m upset she has to return to chemo, but the side effect profile will be much better than the FOLFIRNOX she had last year. The irinotecan really took its toll on her.
As for immunotherapy, the trials available to her are apparently not showing any positive results vs chemo alone. Keytruda (Pembrolizumab) is still $$$ expensive and we cannot afford it.
October 5, 2016 at 10:35 am in reply to: Intruducong myself as a new Discussion Board member. #22305tiahMemberHi Lisa, always sad to see a fellow Aussie on this website but it’s nice to know that there are others out there. So sorry to hear that your cancer reappeared after your initial surgery.
Where in Australia are you based?
It’s great to hear you have a fantastic support network, and a wonderful husband to be by your side. One piece of advice I can offer, as I have a mother with cholangiocarcinoma who is your age, is to enjoy every day that you are feeling well and live life as well as you can and surround yourself with positive energy.
Best wishes,
TiahtiahMemberHi Catherine, what a wonderful celebration. After reading your about your mothers success with the SIRT so far it really gives me hope that my mother can also have a good outcome and may give hope for many others out there who are not eligible for resection.
Let’s hope we hear the same good news for the next anniversary!
Tiah
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