Anthony died on 30th July in a London Hospice

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  • #21660
    uksue
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    Dear Pauline and Darla,
    The funeral is tomorrow 17th at 11am UK time. Please say a little prayer for Ray to send him on his way.
    Love Sue x

    #21658
    pauline
    Member

    Dear Sue,
    I also think it’s a beautiful poem for a daughter to express her feelings about her dad. It made me tearful reading it and it is so appropriate for some one who has died from cancer – we can’t wish for them to come back to face all that again, can we? ( however much we might want to have them here with us again). If Sam can’t manage to read it on the day it might be worth having someone ready to step in and read it for her. This is what we did and it took the pressure off us on the funeral day.
    I am sure your are all focussing on the funeral now and it can be exhausting after everything you have been through in the last weeks but some how wanting to make it the very best tribute to our loved ones keeps us going, doesn’t it?
    I hope it will be a beautiful ceremony. I think there is nothing better than poetry to express the way we feel. Try to get some rest between now and Friday because it will be a very tiring day.
    Let us know the time of the funeral so that we can be thinking of you. In the mean time if you need any comfort or advice, please get in touch. We are always here for you.
    With love to you and Sam,
    Pauline

    #21657
    darla
    Spectator

    Dear Sue,

    I think the poem is beautiful & very appropriate. Tell Sam to just go with her heart. I know she will be able to do this. I too think it is a nice tribute to her Dad. Also, please remember that although Ray is no longer with you he will be in all of your hearts forever.

    Love & Hugs,

    Darla

    #21656
    uksue
    Member

    Thank you so much Marion, I will tell Sam you think this will be a nice tribute to her Dad.
    Good night and God bless.
    Sue

    #21655
    marions
    Moderator

    Sue….what a beautiful poem and how wonderful for Sam wanting to read this. I don’t now what could be more appropriate then a daughter wanting to say those things closes to her heart when speaking of her Dad.

    #21654
    uksue
    Member

    My two dear friends, I have a favour ta ask from my daughter Sam. She has re-read the poem that Rays Mum wrote and thinks is not so appropriate for a daugter to read about her Father. She has adapted a poem she found about a daughter writing about her Mum to suit what she would like to say about her Dad. She has asked me to ask your opinion of which peom she should read. I know this is a bit trivaul but means a lot to her. Please if anyone else is reading our posts I would like your help and opinion. It will be difficult for Sam to read but she really wants to try.
    When we first saw you going,
    Our hearts were almost broken,
    We wanted you back
    But when we saw you sleeping,
    So peaceful, free from pain,
    How could we wish you back with us,
    To go through that again
    It broke our hearts to lose you,
    But you did not go alone,
    For part of us went with you,
    The day God took you home
    If Roses grow in Heaven,
    Lord please pick a bunch for us,
    Place them in my Dad’s arm
    and tell him they are from us
    Tell him we love him and miss him
    and when he turns to smile,
    place a kiss upon his cheek
    and hold him a while.
    Because remembering him is easy,
    We do it everyday,
    But there’s an ache within my heart
    that will never go away.
    Don’t think of him as gone away
    His journey’s just begun,
    Life has so many facets
    This earth is only one
    And think of him as living
    In the hearts of those he touched
    For nothing loved is ever lost
    And he is loved so much.
    Please everybody let her know what you think
    Allmy love.
    Sue.

    #21652
    pauline
    Member

    Dear Sue,
    I am so sorry to hear of Ray’s death but, at the same time, so happy for you that it was such a peaceful, calm and beautiful end to his life. What a way to go! I think it is so fantastic that you were all able to say your good byes and that Ray was still able to talk and, even to arrange his funeral. He must have felt very comforted by all of this and, in turn, I can understand how comforted this makes you feel now that he is gone. You can look back and know that you did everything you could and that he didn’t suffer. These are wonderful things to treasure for ever and these memories will be a great source of comfort to you in the coming period.
    I hope the funeral is everything that you and Ray wanted. His mother’s poem sounds beautiful.
    You know I will be here for you at any time. In the mean time, take care of yourself and treasure those memories.
    With love
    Pauline

    #21639
    darla
    Spectator

    Dear Sue,

    I am so sorry & yet also happy & relieved that Ray has passed on. As you stated, only we can understand that although we are saddened & in pain, we are relieved that for Ray it is over & he no longer suffers. It is so wonderful that his passing was made so comfortable & smooth for him. I am glad that you were able to arrange for all of his wishes to be met. Some of our experience was much the same as yours. All of the family also were there for him in the last few days before he passed & Jim seemed to know that they were there. I think that was important to both Ray & your family also. In a perfect world, these things would never happen, but as they do & we need to deal with them as best we can, I think you have done a good job. You can be proud of yourself for making his last days as comfortable & pain free as you did & also that you could relieve his mind of worries so that he could pass in peace. Take comfort in the fact that he is now in a better place & that his Mother was there to greet him. I too just sat alone thinking & numb those first nights & still do at times. You are so busying fighting for him & doing everything you need to do & then it is over & there is this emptiness & void. I will be thinking of you during these next days & trying to help give you the strength to get through them. I have been there and know how hard it is going to be. When I first posted here Pauline was there for me & we will both be here for you also. We are all walking in the same shoes now & we all truly understand what the others are going through. You are in my thoughts & prayers.

    Hugs & Love,
    Darla

    #21653
    uksue
    Member

    Dear Pauline and Darla,
    Ray died in hospital on Sunday. It came quickly and he was pain free right until the end. He only had a could of injections to calm him down on the last day when he became uncomfortable because of his poor swollen tummy and legs. We managed to get all his family to see him before he died. He was in St James hospital in Leeds. After his operation to put in the stent he just stopped passing water and went into hospital in Weds with multiple organ failure. The staff at the hospital were wonderful, they found us a side ward and let us stay with him as much as we wanted. I even got the vicar to visit as we live in a small village and he wanted to be buried in the village church and he wanted reassurance that that would be possible as we are not regular church goers. The vicar was wonderful and has arranged everything just as Ray wanted, even to the fact that he will be buried next to his friend who died of cancer two years ago. I am sat here in his dressing gown unable to sleep an just feeling numb. I am sure people think we are all mad because we just keep laughing and are so happy, but I think it is because we are just so relieved that he didnt suffer any pain. He simply went to sleep, he had said his goodbyes to everyone and his two eldest daugthers has just left to take his grandaughter home. I was so pleased that I was able to let everyone have some private time with him so he could tell everyone he loved them and we loved him. At the end Sam and I sat holding his hand. He was jsut so peacful. We didnt know if he could hear us and he couldnt talk, so we just chatted to him and held his hand. He just struggled with his breathing for about twenty minutes and then just tsopped breathing. We couldnt believe that he had died, he was still warm and just looked asleep. If I say his death was a goood one and we have such good memories of it I am sure you will both understand, but anyone who hasnt been through it wouldnt.
    I have told Rays daughters about this site, I am sure that they will find it helpful once the grief hits us.
    We are planning a party after his funeral, we have been looking through some old papers and we found a sheet of paper which his mother has written many years ago, on it she had written out St Francis of Assis’s prayer and a poem which is so appropriate that we have decided for Sam to read it out at his funerla. I dont know where it came from, but I think she must have written it during the war when her first fiance and the love of her life was killed in action. I am sure she would want us to use it and that it is her way of saying that she will be looking after him. Ray was always her favorite out of the five children and he was the only one who didnt get to make it to see her before she died.
    Thank you for being there for me. no doubt I will need you both in the coming months.
    Love Sue

    #21651
    pauline
    Member

    Dear Sue,
    Just to let you know I am still thinking of you and Ray and hope that things are peaceful and calm for you both.
    Love
    Pauline

    #21650
    pauline
    Member

    Dear Sue,
    I am thinking of you day by day and hour by hour. I think it is wonderful that you have organised all the family to come and that Ray is comfortable and still able to communicate. These are moments to cherish. I too kept up the pretence and didn’t tell Anthony he was dying , even when the doctor told me. I felt it was better to give him some hope at least. It must be so terrifying mustn’t it? As I have said before, it was only on the day he died that the doctor told me that Anthony probably had 3-5 days(he died 4 hours later). Just after this when they were about to sedate Anthony for the final time, I spoke to him. He was semi conscious and still in pain and discomfort. He was unable to speak. I told him that the doctors still thought he had broken his hip(this was what they had thought earlier in the day) and that I would try to organise everything with the hospital but that first of all they were going to give him strong pain relief to help him to rest. He seemed to take this in. I then told him that our daughter had just phoned to see how he was and that she would be coming to see him later. I then told him that our daughter had said that our little grandaughter was making him a beautiful card with lots of kisses all over it with the words “get well soon grandad. We love you”. Anthony acknowledged this with a little nod. They then sedated him and that was our last converstion. I am crying now as I am writing this but I think it was better for him to go thinking about this than to be told he was dying. Maybe he half knew inside or maybe he gathered this as the hours wore on and his breathing started to fail. It is so hard to know.
    I hope Ray continues to be comfortable and is able to talk a little. I am sure he will open up the conversation about his death if he wants to. I am also sure that he will be thinking of you too and worrying about how you will cope. It is all such a terrible shock. People think that if your loved one has cancer you should be prepared but it just isn’t like that with cholangiocarcinoma. For both Darla and myself and now for you as well this final phase has come as a terrible shock because of how well all our husbands were only weeks before.
    Don’t worry about the funeral – plenty of time for that later. Cherish each moment that you still have together. Say all the things you want to say. I hope Ray remains comfortable and doesn’t suffer. This is the most important thing.
    Thinking of you
    With love
    Pauline

    #21649
    darla
    Spectator

    Hi Sue,

    I am so sorry & I am here for you. Although this disease seems to treat everyone differently. I can tell you that Jim also had some confusion towards the end & was in a coma on & off. He would appear to come out of it a little from time to time & seemed to know when people where there. I think it is a good thing for them to know they are not alone & everyone is there for them. Even when he wasn’t able to communicate, it seemed that he knew we were there for him. We also had to deal with the do not resusitate issue towards the end. It seems to make it so final even though it is not yet over. Jim also was doing all normal things 7 weeks before he passed away. Unlike your situation, we had no idea of what was going on at first. I sometimes wish we had known sooner as it really blindsided us, however, it does not seem to matter in the end as the outcome is the same. You have known for 20 months & it still is coming at you so fast now. I too knew what Jim’s wishes were, however, at one point I did just mention that if things got worse, was that still how he felt. I too did not want to bring it up & be negative, so I tried to make it sound like things were going to be OK, but that I just wanted to know in the event things went bad. Now, I think he knew even then that he would not survive this & in his own way was being strong for me. I can not stress enough that pain relief is the important thing for him right now. You can not stop this terrible disease, but you can help to make him comfortable. It is good that the hospital will let you be there whenever you want. We also were able to do that. Again, know that we are all here for you. Keep posting as much & as often as you need to. All you can do for the moment is, as you said, get dressed & face the day. You can deal with this. One Day At A Time.

    Hugs & Love,

    Darla

    #21648
    ron-smith
    Member

    Sue

    I am so sorry to read about Ray. I must confess that I very rarely visit this part of the site. I think it is because I don’t want to read about the inevitable. Silly, I know, but it’s just the way I am.

    The shocking thing about this disease is the speed that things can change. I am so glad that Ray is peaceful and not in pain. I know from my own experience that this was the main, selfish consideration I had when I was diagnosed.

    Thinking of you and your family.

    Ron

    #21647
    uksue
    Member

    Hi Pauline,
    I am sorry I didnt answer to your message of yesterday. You dont know how much it means to be able to speak to you and Darla here, or I suppose you do know.
    I havent been able to sleep and it is such a comfort to be able to write down my feelings, somehow it is more theraputic than speaking with someone it is as if by writing it you purge yourself of a bit of the grief. I am in limbo now. I know in the coming week or so I will have a big funeral to organise. We live in a village and everyone knewand loved Ray for his sense of humour. He wants a burial in the village church so as well as family and friends there will be half the village there. I dont know how to approach the subject with Ray, I know that when my Dad was in the hospice the doctor there told him there was no hope and he didnt want to hear it even though he knew. I think Ray is like my Dad in that respect so I guess I will leave it up to him to open the can of worms. We have talked enough in the past for me to know what he would want. I feel awful talking about his funeral and he hasnt died yet but I cant help it. It is dawn now, the hospital and doctors have been very good they say we can go whenever we want and stay as long as we want. I hope Ray stays lucid enough to talk to everyone who will be visiting him today, especially as his three grandchildren want to come this evening. Sam has told me that when the kidney fails it causes confusion and he may go into a coma. The main thing is that there is no pain for him just now. The hospital want to discuss pain relief today and I have to sign a form to say if his heart stops we dont want him revived. It is all coming a bit too fast, even though we have known about this for 20 months, we still didnt expect things to go so fast, I know it is a blessing in disguise but it is still difficult to think that only two weeks ago, Ray was cutting the grass and enjoying the sunshine.
    Well my friends I better get dressed and face the day. Thank you for being there for me,
    Love Sue x

    #21646
    darla
    Spectator

    Hi Pauline,

    Glad you are back on. Yes I did get the email & have replied.

    Darla

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