Introducing my husband & his cc diagnosis
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June 9, 2015 at 4:34 am #88348mbachiniModerator
Hi Mary,
I am sorry to hear of your husband’s struggle with drains, stents, infections, and mostly this diagnosis. I am glad you found this site and I hope you will continue to share your experiences as well as gather as much information as you need from here. Please know that I am sending good thoughts and prayers your way for both you and your husband. Take care.
MelindaMay 31, 2015 at 6:01 pm #88347gavinModeratorHi Mary,
Welcome to the site. So sorry that you had to find us all here and I am sorry to hear about Rod, but I am glad that you have joined us here as you are in the best place for support and I so know that you will get that here from everyone. I am real sorry to hear everything that you and Rod are going through and please know that we are here for you.
I am in the UK so will leave the workings of hospice to members here from the US. My dad also went through hospice care here in Scotland and if I can chip in with anything that might help you I will do so. I hope you will keep coming back here Mary, you are not alone in this now, we are here for you.
My best wishes to you and Rod,
Gavin
May 30, 2015 at 4:10 am #88346lainySpectatorMary, when Teddy had home Hospice he was off the external drain so we had no problem with that. I forgot to tell you that if Rod starts getting chills and running 100o temp that is the sure sign that he needs to go to Emergency as it most likely are the 1st signs of the blood infection.
To take things to help he eat is fine. One of the bumps with this CC is the loss of wanting the foods you are used to love. T was a chocoholic and lost his taste for it. He lost his taste for wine with dinner and when his ONC said it was OK he had a small glass and didn’t even drink it. I found comfort foods worked best and homemade soups were great. There are a ton of nutrition drinks but the one he loved most was Carnation Instant Breakfast and I would blend the vanilla with a banana. This drink can take the place of a meal or drink it with a meal. Any questions just ask away.May 30, 2015 at 3:09 am #88345mrbucheleSpectatorkv and Lainy, Thanks for your quick replies,
Yes his catheters are internal stents & external drainage pouches. Hospice would take care of Rod at home, but if we wanted to go anywhere to have the catheters replaced, etc. we had to go off hospice. Insurance covers either hospice (pallative) care or regular care, but we couldn’t have both. Home health care was also limited to home-bound patients.RE: Naturopathic treatments: We have not excluded any conventional treatment for naturopathic, but I’m convinced that one of the remedies that Rod started, even before the “official” diagnosis did help, because 2-3 days after he started it, food tasted good for the first time in a couple of months. He’d been complaining that all the restaurants just didn’t turn out the same good tasting food. We didn’t recognize that as a symptom. The surgeon was surprised that with the size of the tumor Rod did not show signs of jaundice. When we were told it was non-resectable, we did not seek 2nd opinon at that time.
Re: the infections (there were 2) I think happened because he only rec’d antibiotic while in outpatient recovery or during procedure, and wasn’t prescribed follow-up antibiotic – that’s one possibility for the infections. Only after talking with friend fighting CC did we realize he should have been prescribed it. Our primary care physician (also the hospice doc) did prescibe it after we asked. But that’s a long story.
He has Medicare Part A which has covered when he’s been admitted, otherwise his private insurance has covered a lot. Hospice is covered at 80% and whatever is not covered this hospice agency writes off – but then then don’t allow the type of service that he needs for catheter replacement. We are 4 hours from Wichita, 7 hours from KC, 5 from Denver.
May 30, 2015 at 3:03 am #88344mrbucheleSpectatorkv and Lainy, Thanks for your quick replies,
Yes his catheters are internal stents & external drainage pouches. Hospice would take care of Rod at home, but if we wanted to go anywhere to have the catheters replaced, etc. we had to go off hospice. Insurance covers either hospice (pallative) care or regular care, but we couldn’t have both. Home health care was also limited to home-bound patients.RE: Naturopathic treatments: We have not excluded any conventional treatment for naturopathic, but I’m convinced that one of the remedies that Rod started, even before the “official” diagnosis did help, because 2-3 days after he started it, food tasted good for the first time in a couple of months. He’d been complaining that all the restaurants just didn’t turn out the same good tasting food. We didn’t recognize that as a symptom. The surgeon was surprised that with the size of the tumor Rod did not show signs of jaundice. When we were told it was non-resectable, we did not seek 2nd opinon at that time.
Re: the infections (there were 2) I think happened because he only rec’d antibiotic while in outpatient recovery or during procedure, and wasn’t prescribed follow-up antibiotic – that’s one possibility for the infections. Only after talking with friend fighting CC did we realize he should have been prescribed it. Our primary care physician (also the hospice doc) did prescibe it after we asked. But that’s a long story.
He has Medicare Part A which has covered when he’s been admitted, otherwise his private insurance has covered a lot. Hospice is covered at 80% and whatever is not covered this hospice agency writes off – but then they don’t allow the type of service that he needs for catheter replacement. We are 4 hours from Wichita, 7 hours from KC, 5 from Denver.
May 30, 2015 at 2:36 am #88343lainySpectatorDear Mary, welcome to the best place to be for CC support but sorry you had to find us. I hope that where Rod is being treated has had plenty of experience with this crazy CC. We are heavy believers in 2nd and 3rd opinions and he must be at a hospital and ONC with experience in the field. I don’t tend to go the natural path as surgery is really the best tool. Weird but I just had a colostomy and in my 4th week of recuperation. So now I have an Ostomate! There is no reason for your husband to be suffering so much. My husband never got sick from the stent placement although it is common to get those nasty blood infections. They would put him immediately on a Levequin IV and cured it in days. To me something does not sound right. My Teddy had an external stent even after a Whipple surgery and I used to dress it daily and little did I know it prepared me for my pouch, that I call Orville as he pops like popcorn.
I am from KC, MO. but it has been so long I don’t remember what other major city you are closest too but would look in to another opinion and get Rod’s misery under control as he needs his energy to fight the CC. We are all with you and below are some sites you may find helpful:
Newly diagnosed:
http://cholangiocarcinoma.org/the-disease/newly-diagnosed/
Free complimentary Book or e-mail download:
http://cholangiocarcinoma.org/news/foundation-resources/
Biliary drainage – stent information card
http://cholangiocarcinoma.org/biliary-emergency-information-card/
Register for a CURE
The International Cholangiocarcinoma Registry
http://cholangiocarcinoma.org/professionals/research/patient-registry/You never know how strong you are until “strong” is the only choice you have!
May 30, 2015 at 1:50 am #88342kvollandSpectatorWow, my dear, you have been through quite a road with all this. I am sorry that you had all this happen to your family. This is one of those diseases that just takes its own path differently with every person.
I am not sure I understand why hospice would not deal with the catheters. Are you talking about the stents with external drainage or does he have another type of catheter. Hospice is supposed to provide for all palliative care….catheter and stents are usually part of the palliative process so I would argue with them….or see if you have another hospice agency in your area. Also if you husband is covered under Medicare….he is 66 so hopefully he is….they are pretty much required to. I would argue heartily about that.
Sounds like you have your hands full but please remember to take care of yourself too.KrisV
May 30, 2015 at 1:13 am #11311mrbucheleSpectatorMy husband’s primary care physician retired and it took 18 months to locate a dr. that would take him as a new patient. Rod had just turned 66, and has a 40+ year old ileostomy which was because of ulcerative colitis. At his initial consultation with new doc, in Sept 2014 the doc’s final comments were “It looks like you have a long healthy life ahead of you. We’ll just wait for the blood work to come back.” Well, the blood work showed problems with liver enzymes.
Rod was pre-diabetic, but controlled it with diet, exercise and supplements. Had been loosing a little weight, but attributed that and his fatigue to a heavy work and travel schedule. The following week the CT scan technician was certain what he was seeing was cancer, and further testing culminated in biopsy confirmation in mid-Oct. of a 5-6 cm tumor of bile duct. At consultation with liver specialist/surgeon first week of Nov., in Wichita, a 4 hour drive from home, we were told that because the (intrahepatic) cancer involved both lobes and was centrally located around the portal vein and high in the bile ducts, surgery was not an option, unless Rod was lucky enough that chemo would shrink it to one side. We heard then for the first time that ulcerative colitis was a high risk factor for this cancer.
Port installed 2 days before Thanksgiving. Chemo delayed until Dec 5 because of family & work commitments. I had to be out of town with our daughter for college scholarship competition, so Rod was on his own – even drove home by himself – about 2 miles in town. Felt no effects, other than being so sleepy he didn’t hear my first 2 calls home to check on him. Second treatment was scheduled for the following week, but his bilirubin level was at 12, so they scehduled him for placement of a stent on the following day, in Wichita.
The intervention radiologist had a difficult time getting the stent through the hard tumor, and Rod felt like they had been shooting progressively larger bullets into him. He was given 2 pain pills before they wheeled him out to our van. He lost everything to the barf bag before I pulled away from the hospital. Fortunately, we still had pain meds at home left from the port installation, but it was a very long and painful 4 hour drive home. Next day called oncologist for stronger pain meds because the oxycodone wasn’t cutting the pain. The following Monday’s blood work showed bili still going up, so we were sent back to Wichita for stent in left lobe. Because of the difficulty of the first time, he was admitted and they inserted a stent in left lobe, plus one in periphery of right lobe to drain fluid built up there. Released on Friday before Christmas, but this time we did not drive home, but stayed at hotel.
Monday’s tests showed Rod was dehydrated so cancer center provided intravenous fluids for the 3 days before Christmas. Day after Christmas, Rod started with fever and chills and shaking. We ended up calling 911. Turned out he had a major infection in blood. He spent 3 nights in ICU, not expected to live. My son turned 21 that weekend. Following ICU where the nursers were excellent, he spent 10 days on regular floor, training nurses about catheter and ileostomy care. ICU nurses were great, regular floor nurses also, but less familiar with all the tubes, etc. that Rod had. We had lots of people praying for us.
When Rod was discharged in early Jan, it was to hospice care, and chemo was no longer considered an option, because they didn’t think Rod’s system would tolerate it. Actually we were pleased that we could have him home and he could sleep as long as he needed to, and not be awakened in the early morning when he sleeps best. And we could prepare foods he could eat. Rod’s sister is a Naturopath practioner and has been working with us.
Hospice care was great, but did not allow us to stay with it and go in for catheter replacement. So we rescinded their care and I have been doing all the nursing care, preparing meals, etc. We have gone back to Wichita several times, for “catheter maintenance.” Our original liver specialist retired at the end of Jan, and we met his replacement once, for a few minutes, after one of the replacement procedures. The intervention radiologist can change every time. We have gone back to oncologist, not for chemo, but for what I call enhanced pallative care, in that they will order the labs, pain meds & antibiotics if necessary, and call Wichita to schedule any catheter maintenance. Problem is, they are not very knowledgeable about this cancer, and treatments. We’ve gotten good info from a friend who has been fighting it for 4-5 years, but hers was much smaller when found.
I’ve also learned from reading other posts in the last 2-3 months before I registered. Thanks for listening.
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