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Lainy,
You have my permission to use anything that I have posted on this site. I am also sending you a short letter to include when you send your letters to Oprah.
Darla
darlaSpectatorPatty,
As we have always been self employed, as insurance rates escalated, we finally could no longer afford the cost. He is a VietNam Vet, so the past years has been using the VA. He was treated at the Zablocki Medical Center in Milwaukee. His first problem in July was an obstructed kidney for which they stented. He then developed a blood clot. He had every x ray scan etc. imaginable. The first tests showed nothing. His seconded CT showed Cysts on the liver. The third showed changes to abnormal lesions. It wasn’t until a PET Scan & a liver biopsy were done that he was finally diagnosed. It all went very fast. At that point we were told that without treatment he had up to 6 months. They considered trying Chemo but by this time he was to sick & too weak. The day before he died they told us he may have a few days, weeks, or up to a month. It all just developed so quickly. There was no time to understand or adjust to what was happening. My understanding is that in most cases by the time the cancer presents itself it is too late. It appears to be a silent killer working from within with very few symtoms for years. I have since learned that in his case this could possibly have come from the waters in Asian countries many of which he was in during the VietNam War. It is a parasite that is in the water that feeds off the inside of the bile ducts for years. As many as 30-40. They parasite is long gone, but the abnormal cells it has left than can become this horrible cancer. It is now presenting itself in a lot of men from that era that are now in thier 60’s-70’s. There are also some only in their 50’s. It also seems that our government could have given some warning & if screened yearly it could have been found earlier. If found in the gall bladder before spreading the bladder would have been removed & radiation done preventing the spread. I am not sure if any of this would have helped my husband & I now will never know. My understanding is that the government is really not stepping up to the plate on this or admitting it in most cases. As is & was the case with the many controversy’s with Agent Orange. None of this will bring back my husband, but there are so many unanswered questions. At this point I just have to try to be strong. I am hoping to do that with the help of the many good people here. I am also hoping I can bring some help & strength to others. Thank you for your kind words & support.
Darla
darlaSpectatorHello,
I am so sorry to hear about your Mom. I am relatively new to this board. My husband who was 62 was perfectly healthy until around the middle of July. He died on 9/02/08. His journey with this horrible disease was short. Many are longer. I am now trying to deal with the loss & the great void it has left in my life. I understand your frustration. He was not definitively diagnosed until 1 week before he passed. The following is information that was given to me by a 2nd year med student. Unfortunately I received it the day he passed away. It is not something that is easy to read or accept, however, I wish I had know all of this to better understand what was going on with my husband. Every thing stated is exactly what he was going through.
>> cholangiocarcinoma is a cancer of the bile ducts- vessels that drain
>> bile into and out of the liver. it is a weird tumor in that it is
>> very silent until it is large enough to impede on other organs around
>> it (ie. liver, gallbladder, pancrease, etc). by the time it
>> manifests itself in symptoms such as turning yellow, abdominal pain,
>> itching, vomting, nausea, and things like that, it is often spread to
>> a point where it is not able to be resectable by sugery, which is the
>> only definitive cure. thus, a lot of the management is by palliative
>> measures and pain management because of the late diagnosis.
>>
>> there is a higher prevalence in asia due to some kind of endemic
>> chronic infection associated with liver flukes. other risks factors
>> include chronic hepatitis, HIV and ulcerative colitis (a form of IBS).
>> it is hard to pinpoint any one of these down because many people with
>> the above don’t develop the cancer. the fact that he had a parasitic
>> infection may have contributed to the development of the cancer, but i
>> would not say that it is the sole cause. the majority of people
>> diagnosed with cholangiocarcinoma have no known risk factors.
>>
>> as a family, i would make sure he is in sufficient pain control- if
>> this means very high doses of pain meds, that is ok. if he is still
>> lucid, he will eventually want to stop eating and stop drinking
>> fluids- this is alarming because it is against our thoughts that food
>> = comfort but this is normal and very characteristic of the final
>> stages of death. hydrate the mouth with small ice chips if he cannot
>> drink fluids. in the last days, he may spike a fever. this is also
>> normal. there may be secretions in the mouth that towards the end
>> will accumulate because the swallowing reflex is diminished and this
>> will make a rattling noise. these secretions can be sucked out of the
>> mouth if necessary.
>>
>> i know this is all hard to hear but i wanted to write it out in case
>> the doctors didn’t say anything about what to expect.Try to be strong for your Mom. As time passes maybe knowing all of this will better help you to cope with what she is going through. Just be there for her & the rest of the family & make the most of the time you have with her. As you read more on these boards you will see that everyone’s story & illness progresses differently. All the information you receive on this site willl be helpful to you as we have all been there or are dealing with this horrible cancer now. There is always hope. I only wish I’d had more time with my husband, but I know he is now in a better place & is no longer suffering. God Bless You. You, your Mom & your family are in my prayers. Stay strong. Please let us know how things are going. There are a lot of good people here & we are all here to listen, help & support you & your family.
Darla
darlaSpectatorThanks Teresa
Your kind words are a comfort to me. All of this is so hard to understand right now. My daughter-in-law found this site for me & I am so grateful to have found all of you. I now feel like I have another “family” to go to for support. It seems that only us who have lived with this can truly know how it feels. Everyone’s story is a little different, but in the end we all have this horrible cancer as a common bond. Hopefully I too can be of some help & support for others who come here seeking it.Darla
darlaSpectatorJeff,
Thanks for all of your kind thoughts. Isn’t it amazing the a 2nd year med student nailed it the way she did when many doctors have no idea. Stay strong. You are fighting a good fight. As for rambling, I understand. I am doing that myself at times. All of what you said I am also thinking. God Bless You. My thoughts & prayers are with you.
Darla
FYI The Eagles & Take It To The Limit One More Time are one of my favorite groups & songs!
darlaSpectatorThanks Jeff & thank you for being here for all of us. I have also posted on the introductions board explaining a little more of my situation. We meet in high school when I was only 15. We had 45 years together & had a good life. We never thought our time would be so short. I stated on the other posts that it was more than many have had, but I am selfish & wanted more! There is a big hole in my life now & I guess all I can do is deal with it One Day At A Time. Hopefully I can offer some help & comfort to others who have been there or are going through this now. After what I have been through & how quickly my life has changed forever, I really to feel the pain that everyone here has or is now going through. God Bless You & all the others on this site. I am so gratefully to have found all of you.
Thanks To All Of You
DarladarlaSpectatorHello Again,
Thank you all for your kind thoughts. My journey started the middle of July of this year. My husband was in & out of the ER 5 times before his first hospitalization. They thought it was just a kidney problem & put in a stent. He then went back in with a blood clot. Blood thinners were not working & his blood test were really strange. He then went back in again with more blood clots even tho’ he was on the thinners & they put in a filter to keep any more from getting to his lungs. They still had no idea of what was going on, however, were now suspecting possible a type of cancer was causing all the strange symptoms & reactions he was having. The stent also was not working so at that point they had to put in a tube to one kidney. He became weaker & more fatigued, had no appetite & when he came home one more time the last week of August he was really trying to eat etc. & started vomiting. He was home from Friday night until Sunday afternoon at which time I had to take him back to the hospital. He had every test, scan etc. imaginable. Nothing definitive was found. They finally took a biopsy of his liver as each test showed rapid changes from normal to cysts to leisons. That Tuesday they also did a PET scan which finally determined (along with the results of the biopsy) that he had this terrible cancer. At that point we were told he had atleast 6 months even without treatment, however they were still considering Chemo to atleast try to stop it from going further. He then started to become so weak & run down from not being able to eat etc. that they felt Chemo would not help as it would make him even sicker. They considered a feeding tube or port, but that too would have possibly been too hard on him. By the following Monday they told us that he may only have a few days, weeks or a month at the most. He died at 9AM the next morning. Only one week after they had the positive diagnosis. I spent that last week at his side & one of our sons spent the last night there with us. One of us at each side of the bed. It was a very intense 7 weeks & in the end there was nothing anyone could do. Atleast he is now in a better place & at peace. Watching the progression of this terrible disease & not knowing what was happening was so very hard on all of us. Now we are left to try to pick up the pieces. I will add what a friend of my sister’s who is a 2nd year med student sent us:
very sorry to hear about your brother in law
>>
>> cholangiocarcinoma is a cancer of the bile ducts- vessels that drain
>> bile into and out of the liver. it is a weird tumor in that it is
>> very silent until it is large enough to impede on other organs around
>> it (ie. liver, gallbladder, pancrease, etc). by the time it
>> manifests itself in symptoms such as turning yellow, abdominal pain,
>> itching, vomting, nausea, and things like that, it is often spread to
>> a point where it is not able to be resectable by sugery, which is the
>> only definitive cure. thus, a lot of the management is by palliative
>> measures and pain management because of the late diagnosis.
>>
>> there is a higher prevalence in asia due to some kind of endemic
>> chronic infection associated with liver flukes. other risks factors
>> include chronic hepatitis, HIV and ulcerative colitis (a form of IBS).
>> it is hard to pinpoint any one of these down because many people with
>> the above don’t develop the cancer. the fact that he had a parasitic
>> infection may have contributed to the development of the cancer, but i
>> would not say that it is the sole cause. the majority of people
>> diagnosed with cholangiocarcinoma have no known risk factors.
>>
>> as a family, i would make sure he is in sufficient pain control- if
>> this means very high doses of pain meds, that is ok. if he is still
>> lucid, he will eventually want to stop eating and stop drinking
>> fluids- this is alarming because it is against our thoughts that food
>> = comfort but this is normal and very characteristic of the final
>> stages of death. hydrate the mouth with small ice chips if he cannot
>> drink fluids. in the last days, he may spike a fever. this is also
>> normal. there may be secretions in the mouth that towards the end
>> will accumulate because the swallowing reflex is diminished and this
>> will make a rattling noise. these secretions can be sucked out of the
>> mouth if necessary.
>>
>> i know this is all hard to hear but i wanted to write it out in case
>> the doctors didn’t say anything about what to expect.I know this is harsh & hard to read, but I wish I had know all of this as his illness progressed. This is exactly how it went. It would have made it a little easier to understand. Hopefully it will help others. Sorry this post is so long, but hopefully it will help others to try understand & cope with this horrifying disease. Again, Thanks to all of you here & I am so gratefully to have found you.
Darla
darlaSpectatorHello, I am new to this site & am grateful to have found it. My husband Jim passed away last Tuesday 9/02/08 after only 7 weeks. He was a normal health man when this started & now he is gone. He was only 62. Everything you are feeling & have gone through Pauline, I am now feeling too. Finding this site & reading all of these posts is helping me, but it does not take away the pain, loss & frustrations. We all share this horrible common grief for a devistating disease. I too hope that in time I can help others to cope with what I have been coping with as you, Pauline, & the others here have already been a help & comfort to me.
Darla
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