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Hi Julia
I’m too glad you’re sounding more positive now, living for the day, and hope your sister manages to get home from hospital soon and get back to some semblance of ‘normality’. I hope you manage to have some fun and laughter together, and that you are able to put aside any worry or fear. Despite the horrible set back it sounds like your sister is still in good hands – and hopefully they can help with her decision making about what to do next.
Take care, you are in my thoughts.
WendyhughesdewyMemberJulia, I’m so, so very sorry to hear this about your sister. It’s so cruel and awful, and just not fair.
There is more you can explore: and perhaps you can talk to the surgeon and her oncologist about these things.
Some things we explored for my mum were:
– Radiotherapy (inc microwave ablation) – but that depends on the position of the bile duct tumor and liver tumor. We spoke directly to one of the top guys at Leicester Hospital about this; sadly not suitable for my mum but who knows – it could be something that could help your sister? http://www.acculis.com/guide-to-mta/
– PDT – Gavin has filled you in with the info here which has worked wonders for his dad!
– Chemo
– Alternative therapies – my mum looked at mistletoe therapy which can work well in conjunction with Chemo and take away the symptoms of chemo. It can even be administered more gently by GPs. This is becoming a more recognised therapy by some conventional doctors and can even be given on NHS.
– Above all, being positive, which you are so good at – and it does work.
Don’t give up hope Julia, your sister needs you more than ever, and it sounds to me like you are her guardian angel.
Wendy xxhughesdewyMemberSandy,
CC is such a horrible wake up call – it’s sneaky and cruel and catches you unawares. My heart really goes out to you and your brother and his fiance. It doesn’t seem long ago that I was just where you are now, around April this year when my mum was first diagnosed with what is thought to be ‘later stages of cc’.
My mum was in terrible condition just after her diagnosis it was ‘touch and go’ – she spent weeks in hospital with one procedure after another – it nearly destroyed us to see her like that as she has always been a fit and energetic person. She was given anti-ametics which helped control the vomiting and loss of appetite and she became so thin. I have read here that taking fluids off will help relieve pressure and improve problems with nausea so I hope that helps with your brother. At one point, my mum couldn’t even keep down water (even with anti nausea tablets) which was a huge concern and she was eventually put on IVs. Controlling the bilirubin and calcium/potassium balance in her blood, giving her tonnes of fluids seemed to help her and the metal stent was the best thing to alleviate the horrible symptoms of jaundice and has seemingly prolonged her life… I never imagined it possible at the time, but she did rally round, and even began to feel a little like her old self again…. positive thinking has given her back her fight, practically she is prepared: but mentally she is not ready to die yet!
My best advice is remain strong, keep positive and optimistic for your brother, while staying informed on his behalf about procedures and treatments. The lack of eating and general feeling of awfulness (plus the high calcium in her body) made her slightly confused sometimes as well as dealing with the shock – she was overwhelmed by the whole thing. We helped guide her through by reading this website and also found PubMed useful. Thank heavens for internet! We have also been very practical for my mum, helping to get her finances in order, planning for the end of her life, saying the all the things we want to say (and having no regrets) and above all, being with her and supporting her in her choices … Doing these things has helped her get back control of her life..and given her a clear mind to fight for her life. Good luck Sandy, you are doing everything just right.Pippa – I feel so sad that your experience of CC was so dreadful – it could so easily have been my own. From what I know about grief, it comes in many forms – and sadly there is nowhere to hide. I guess shelving it for now is just another way of trying to cope with the shock. Do take care of yourself and your mum and I hope you can find this site useful to talk to others and perhaps one day, and when you are both ready, to find ways to talk about with your mum.
Wendyx
hughesdewyMemberJulia,
I just wanted to say, I will be thinking of you and your sister tomorrow. Everything crossed for a good outcome!
As an aside, my mum has decided to have no further treatment. Instead she is very cross with this invasion of her body and has decided to ignore her illness! As a result she has been feeling a little better in herself and has just gone off abroad on holiday! Hurray!! Keep positive and please tell your sister’s surgeon to educate his medical peers – we wish there were more of him around!
Best wishes and good luck!!
WendyxxhughesdewyMemberHi Julia,
I really hope that your sister’s health improves, and that she is one of the lucky ones who fights this condition. Remember, she is probably in the best place right now to make a speedy recovery with some keen academics on her side. I will keep everything crossed for your sister.
Take good care of yourself too – your sister is very lucky to have you looking after her so beautifully.
Wendy, UK
hughesdewyMemberTo dear Elizabeth,
I’m so so deeply sorry too to hear about your mum. You must be feeling shocked and devastated. I hope you have the love and warmth of all your family and friends around you right now to comfort you. You are in our thoughts.
WendyhughesdewyMemberHi Marion,
Yes, the ethical protocols are similar in both Europe and US. We are looking to set our registry up in Europe first and then roll out to other countries and I know that legal/governance and ethical requirements are almost identical between US/Europe/Australia so it should roll out quite smoothly.
The patient registry we are setting up (I am cofounder of the charity organising this) is a self-reported registry. It was felt that, for a number of reasons, it was better for us to collate information this way – largely because it is patient-initiated and therefore more straightforward. We have been working with a registry co-ordinator (in other words a highly regarded researcher and clinician in the field of congenital neuromuscular disease) to establish the content of our registry, and we have been collaborating with his global peers to decide on the type of information that will be useful to help further research. Any contact between researcher and patient will be managed by a registry curator to protect patient identify and patient always has full control of data (managing it themselves online). The data we collect will (with full patient consent) be anonymised and passed onto interested researchers (after they have obtained research ethical approval) and be used to identify patients suitable for certain clinical trials (when they become available for our condition). The registy is governed by a steering committee (scientific advisory board) and other legal committees. The registry will help identify the prevalence of the condition and help to provide standards of care. We are hoping to include a function where researchers can design their own further questionnaire to send out to selected patients to help with their research. For our condition there are only a handful of molecular diagnostic testing centres globally, mainly based in europe, so there are some clinical databases in existence but these do not hold full or necessarily up to date information. We are arranging to harmonize our self-reported registry with these genetic databases (with patient consent). Preparing the patient registry has, I admit been a huge and quite complicated process, and has involved the input of several researchers to define what type of information is required and is useful for their research, but we hope to launch later this year in Europe and then roll out to other countries with the help of curators (ie interested research academics/legal institutions) in those countries. How the registry works is: the patients (or their representatives/guardians) will register themselves online (or offline) with personal data and then answer some 20 mandatory and some further highly encouraged questions. They will then sign a consent form requesting genetic information and some medical information to be released from their clinician which will be sent directly to the registry curator who will include this information on the registry. Once this information is received the data becomes ‘live’ and can be used for research or identifying patients for clinical trials. The patient/representative will be encouraged to update information annually through reminders, and equally any new information about the condition (such as standards of care) will be fed back to the patient. (The patient registry has to have a benefit for the patient). Due to the high morbidity of our particular condition, we are encouraging information from both deceased and living patients. If you are interested further, then let me know and I will pass on more info, and be pleased to share our experience of setting up a registry. We decided to do this ourselves and as the only supporting charity for the disease, to accelerate the pace of research and treatment into the disease which, as a rarer condition, has no public funding invested in it. Also because it is a patient led registry, it makes more sense that it comes from the charity. I guess this could work similarly well for CC – the condition which my mother suffers from. Please email me privately if you wish to have any further info or look in the research section of our own website (which is the process of being redesigned!)…www.myotubulartrust.org
Best wishes
Wendy
wendyhughes@myotubulartrust.orghughesdewyMemberHi Elizabeth
My mum was diagnosed April, and her CC is also not operable nor radiation possible. We even pursued microwave ablation for her (being done at Leicester and Bath Hospitals for mainly liver cancers) but because of the siting of the cancer in the bile duct, close to main hepatic arteries the consultant said it is too dangerous a procedure for CC patients.
Gavin’s dad seems to have had great success with PDT which is just great, but again, it seems this is only offered at major specialist centres and not offered to my mum who is cared for by ‘quiet backwater’ NHS trust.
The doctors have discussed statistics about chemo and the upshot is that they don’t think my mum will necessarily benefit from chemo. However, she visited Park Attwood Clinic today (http://www.parkattwood.org) and is seriously considering Mistletoe treatment. For her, they have suggested an intensive treatment of injections over 10 days where they will induce fever like symptoms 3 times to stimulate her own immunity which in turn will ‘fight’ the CC. They said she will spend 3 days out of the 10 feeling really rotten (ie, like real flu with shivers, etc) but seem to think she will tolerate it well (even though she is v. v. weak at the moment) and can stop it at any time. Her oncologist had not heard of other CC patients using this therapy – but was keen for her to try if she is willing. This treatment also seems to be less invasive than chemo and from what I’ve read has a better chance of making her feel better/stronger afterwards. They have said it is not a cure but will improve her quality of life….. and who knows if it will extend it? So my mum is making the decision now about whether to proceed – the initial cost for 10 days treatment is around
hughesdewyMemberHi Gavin,
It’s good to hear from you too, and I really hope that your dad is still doing really well and fighting the CC. I’m so glad the PDT seems to have been positive for him.
I did pass on your dad’s experiences. My mum discussed all options with her oncologist – but it seems the metal stent (and other underlying problems – possibly secondaries as she has never had her cancer formally graded) has precluded any radiation therapy/PDT, surgery etc. I understand her only option is chemo and they gave a 30% chance of success of this and a 6-9 month prognosis – whats more, they couldn’t guarantee chemo can extend good quality of life or her life at all for that matter. To be quite honest, since this meeting, I think she has given up some hope, but has agreed to go to have mistletoe injections at Park Attwood Clinic as a last ditch attempt to fight the cancer http://www.parkattwood.org/. There is some encouraging outcomes from this treatment, and we desperately hope it makes her feel positive again. I will let you know the outcome. Mistletoe injections work particularly well in conjunction with chemo and can work well on their own I understand – although we are aware that sometimes things will take their own course . Its quite a gentle treatment, so will be nice to try. My mum has quite a bit of faith in this treatment, because 8 years ago a friend’s husband was given same prognosis as her (ie months to live) with lung cancer – and no chemo was offered. He had intensive mistletoe injections and 8 years on is still surviving and cancer free. We pray for a miracle.
In the very least, we are so grateful that she has had some respite from feeling so unwell, since those horrible first days and weeks after diagnosis.
Take care Gavin,
Best wishes to you and your family, and I will keep you posted about the mistletoe in case it is useful for your dad.
WendyhughesdewyMemberHi Michelle
My heart goes out to you, it seems like only yesterday we were in the very same position as you and I never imagined my mum would get better. They were fumbling in the dark – too respectful of doctors to ask what was going on. In fact, my mum, being the patient, was the last to hear anything!Three things we learnt about hospital:
i) Some doctors don’t communicate – you have to insist that you have a daily or at least a weekly meeting with someone at the top of the careplan to summarise and tell you the next plan of action. In the end and after a frustrating time of not knowing what was going on, we phoned the doctor and insisted on a bedside meeting for a summary, as we knew there were things my parents missed. It helped us explain things to my parents (who seemed to muddle things up) and help with the decision making. We have also emailed and phoned when we couldn’t get to the hospital (me and my sisters live a long way from my parents). Overall, I have to say that the doctors did a great job – of course they wanted to see my mum get better – but they did exclude us all from the conversations and discussions in the beginning, and unless we took the initiative to arrange meetings, which I thought was poor.
i) it’s very invasive place and that alone made my mum feel exhausted with all the blood taking, procedures, injections and noise.
ii) she hated the food, the smell of the place, everything, and lost a lot of weight there – I would call it malnutrition. My mum ended up she couldn’t eat a thing and it wasn’t until we pushed for my mum to drink some nutritional drinks (Ensure) that she started to feel better in herself – so if not already, push for your dad to get his vitamins and nutrition some other way.
My mum had 4 ERCP’s and 3 stents fitted in as many weeks – and in total she was in hospital for 6 weeks. As the plastic stents didn’t work to reduce the bilirubin she had a metal stent put in (which actually drained her high bilirubin levels in 3 weeks – apparently half the time it is expected to take). The metal stent has precluded radiation and surgery (although I have read on PubMed one successful surgery with metal stent by a team of Paris doctors). She came home very weak and barely ‘well’. But since being home with me and my sisters and my dad ‘nursing’ her, surrounded by her own things and being able to rest when she wants and in her own bed, she has improved and we have seen glimpses of her ‘old self’ again – even with an increase in appetite for a while and wanting to do things in the house and have trips out – I never imagined it before. We underestimated how bad the jaundice made her feel and the recovery of this has made her feel better too with more energy. We have now arranged for some home help to come in to help my dad, and are looking at hospice care for those worse days (she doesn’t want chemo or to step inside a hospital again), but she is looking at starting some mistletoe therapy. We are so thankful for her having a period of respite so she could get her life back on track, feel in control again and plan for the next stage of her life.
Good luck Michelle, and I really do hope that your dad manages to make it home soon – I know just where you are right now and your dad is so lucky to have you on his side.
Take care,
WendyhughesdewyMemberThank you Marion for your help.
WendyhughesdewyMemberDear Lisa. You are an inspiration and give real hope!! My mum is feeling brighter today too, for the first time in several weeks, we live in hope that the stent is finally working and clearing her jaundice…I will share your good news with her…. which will really cheer her up.
I don’t know what that means either, not being a medic, – but dont think it suggests a tumor…perhaps small area of damage(?) to the liver or liver change as a result of the klatskin.. but to me it reads that this is the second time it’s been observed… so absolutely no changes. However, you are wise to speak to your doctor about it and get him to translate it – but I think you might find that that’s why he said ‘stable’ ie NO changes!! Very well done you!! Keep it up superwoman!!
WendyhughesdewyMemberTo dear Danielle,
I’m so very sad and sorry to learn that you have lost your darling soul-mate Jim. What a brave battle you have both fought, and to me it sounds like you couldn’t have done anything more to help him – but you must be so completely heartbroken. Sending you my deepest sympathy and my thoughts will be with you over the difficult days ahead. I hope you are able to find some peace and comfort in friends and family, and in remembering happier times together.
WendyhughesdewyMemberHi Tia,
I desperately hope your mum is fine and did manage that trip to the shore. Something like this puts a whole new perspective on life doesn’t it, and its the little things that are the most important.
I picked up on your observation that the drs said she would be fine for a month before she begins to ‘decline’ again and I’m guessing this is the same as my mum; ie that the potassium given via saline (or orally) lasts about one month before my mum will need more.
I hope they are taking regular cultures of your mum’s bloods and monitoring levels of calcium/potassium in the blood, I’m sure she would be okay with the oral tablets which taste horrible but my mum has learnt to put them in as little amount of water as possible and then follow with a glass of water to take the taste out of her mouth.
Encourage your mum to drink loads and loads and loads of fluids (even when she might not feel like it – like a small glass every hour) as this will really help keep her blood pressure normal. My mum’s has stablised since doing this and of course she’s knocked off the high blood pressure tablets!! Hopefully she won’t be needing those again. I think because everything makes her feel so nauseus (despite antisickness tablets) she has previously stopped putting anything in her mouth. But the nutritional drinks are helping her a bit to feel better.
I’m sure being at home will make a big difference for your mum I’m sure – my mum has perked up since she’s been out of hospital – at last – on antibiotics for the infection, but we’re hoping and praying that the jaundice will begin to clear finally. She needs a break. I desperately hope that your mum and others here get the break they need too.
Keep up that strength, courage and hope and take care,
WendyhughesdewyMemberHi Tia,
I’m so sorry to here about your mum too – I know how desperately sad that feels. My mum was diagnosed in April this year, and too had high calcium and low potassium levels, which they have managed to balance out by potassium and something else – Vit K i think, via saline drip. She hasn’t had a PET scan yet, but from all the screening she’s had done (x-ray/ultrasound/keyhole/CT) they seem to think that the tumor is contained and has not spread beyond the biliary duct/s. She’s having a bone scan and parathyroid scan today, and we are reasonably confident that there are no secondaries, but will have to see. She is being recommended for surgery and chemo once she is medically stable, and her cancer hasn’t been graded yet because my mum’s is not the specialist hospital – she will have to travel to another hospital for that and surgery – but they are taking advice from the specialist hospital.
She also has to drink a potassium mixture which she says is pretty revolting, but it does the trick to reduce calcium and raise potassium. It seems that there is an imbalance with these two minerals in the blood for many cancers, not just cholangiocarcinoma.
However, my mum has suffered parathyroid problems for years (not cancerous though), and has had elevated calcium in her blood for years, it just got thrown way out of balance when she got the jaundice (and was diagnosed with cholangiocarcinoma in May). The doctors did say that the high calcium levels are debilitating (as is her jaundice) and will make her feel very lethargic and nauseus. She has eaten very little, and doesn’t have any appetite for food or drink, but has started to enjoy nutritional fruit drinks (the milkshakes make her feel sick). I read that it is vital to increase vitamins as certainly with jaundice it is difficult for the body to absorb through food. She is also taking tablets to reduce the nausea, but it’s still a problem with her food (esp hospital food!) and she eats like a bird and has dropped 2 dress sizes in as many months – but the drinks are helping to minimize that now. She has suffered from high blood pressure for a number of years, and ironically has suffered from very low blood pressure over the past 2 weeks – again remedied by sorting out calcium and potassium levels in the blood and by her drinking large volumes of water and having saline IVs. She literally had to drink a glass of water every hour. This really helped with everything and it could be that your mum is dehydrated?
I’m sure they will get your mum stable and under control. My mum had a metal stent fitted just last Thursday (after 2 plastic ones didn’t work to clear the jaundice) and it was hoped she could come home from hospital for the first time in over a month, today. But I heard this morning that she has high temperature, so seems it is probably infected, so it may be a few more days yet before she can get home… we live in hope.
I don’t know much about the course of this condition … but one thing I have learnt over the past few weeks is that the doctors are actually on our side, they do want to get my mum better and discharge her from hospital and they are working so hard on our behalf (although at times it did seem that they didn’t really know what they were doing). I guess it takes a bit more brainpower and searching for solutions, because it’s not common condition and it does seem to be different for everyone about how you are affected, and the course.
I hope and pray, that your mum will begin to recover soon and life can get back to some semblance of normality for you all.
Do take care and you are very much in thought..
Wishing you strength, courage and hope,
Wendy -
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