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We’re sending our love to you, Aunt Sophie and all the family, Hollie. Your Aunt is lucky to have such a wonderful support system, but I understand the struggles. Many hugs coming your way….
Tess
tessMemberReally a great article….. notice that Burrows – with the inoperable liver cancer, was a vet. I see he was treated at the Phoenix Veterans Affairs Health Care System. Lainy probably knows him! What’s up with these miracle men in AZ? Any chance you guys can send some of that Phoenix water back here to NY, we could use a few more miracles here on the east coast too!
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tessMemberHi Katie & happy late birthday! I’m glad you found this crew, make sure to come back & keep us posted on your progress. You have a great spirit & sense of humor! You’ve endured so much for your age & the strength you’ve found to do it has already made you a better person. Keep growing strong & healthy- you’re in our thoughts.
-Tess
tessMemberThanks for the update Rose & I’m glad to see that there is some action going on! You are advocating, getting more answers & making things happen! Dad is going through the same thing right now, as I’ve posted multiple times to date- with no changes… his bilirubin levels are up to over 20 per the visit today, up from 18 last week. He is terribly jaundice, even his eyes are the color of deep yellow. The docs continue to say they can’t explain it and have suggested that hopefully the biliary cath change out on March 12th will remedy the situation. Is this too long to wait, with such bili levels? He’s had rising levels for weeks & has been turning more & more jaundice for about 6 weeks. The bili cath change out is still 10 days away, but the posts here have me worried again!
You’re in our thoughts Rose!
-Tess
tessMemberHello Ehebeler, Dad struggled to eat much on Gemzar because it affected his taste buds so strongly- the secret for him was to suck on a lemon wedge before his meals to help with the salty/metallic tastes. Of course this is not a side effect for everyone, just thought I’d pass it on in case it may help your Mom. It seemed to help Dad, along with lemonade & a mouthwash rinse.
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TessMarch 3, 2009 at 7:33 pm in reply to: Washington University School of Medicine at Barnes-Jewish Hospital #26747tessMemberHi Susan, it is a difficult time in the process for you and your Mom, I am sorry for this. You’re in our thoughts. My Dad was diagnosed in Nov. 08. The docs sent him home & suggested he seek out experimental treatments- so we immediately began pursuing second opinions. In lieu of making visits to the hospitals, we sent overnight Fedex packages to the various establishments (after initiating contact with the offices)- of Dad’s paperwork and a CD of his scans. With this information, most were able to provide insights and provide us with an idea of treatment options they felt they could pursue (chemo/radiation/resection). I don’t have any experience with Washington Univ., but if you would like contact information for the principals that I initiated contact with (specific to Duke, Sloan Kettering, Roswell, Fox Chase, Mayo Clinic, Guthrie Robert Packer, Wake Oncology, NIH) let me know and I’ll pass them on. Send me an e-mail through the e-mail link to the left of the screen- so that I can respond to with an e-mail attachment.
Wishing you the best Susan.
Tess
tessMemberYikes, it hasn’t been an easy road for you Larry- based solely on the few details you’ve provided. I can’t understand why they haven’t incorporated additional stents into Dad, clearly what’s in there isn’t sufficient & others such as yourself have had multiples! That’s amazing the amount of bile they removed from you. Mayo said they would only recommend radiation/resection for Dad- so we feel confident that we’ve secured the most agressive team we could find- at least they’re willing to try. Dad is being treated at the Guthrie in Sayre PA.
You were very lucky with the gemzar response, that’s great. I hope the radiation goes well, it’s amazing how precise they can be these days with the advances in equipment.
Good luck to you Larry & please keep us posted…
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TesstessMemberHi Larry, it sounds like you and my Dad will be on very simular schedules…. as he is expected to start the radiation with 5FU sometimes next week, also 5X week for 6 weeks. The new 5FU that he’s been on for 2 weeks now has made him extremely tired & the docs have told Dad that the radiation will destroy one kidney and a portion of his lung. I just spoke with another gal last week that indicated that the radiation was less tough on her husband than the Gemzar, so it’s hard to tell what the response may be. The 6 week external radiation, in Dad’s case, is expected to be followed by internal radiation (brachytherapy) via his biliary cath. The key objective, is to reduce the size of the tumor to the point that it can be resected. The surgeon says that if they can reduce it just a bit, he’ll try and resect. He is the only doc. we found (after half a dozen opinions) that said he’d attempt surgery. The tumor is about the size of a softball & is located near a major vein. Most of the docs said that they didn’t recommend radiation – but in the same breath indicate that it is the only chance for survival… so why not try????
Please keep us posted as to how the combo is working for you Larry, you are clearly a fighter & you’ll be in our thoughts and prayers.
Best to you,
TesstessMemberHi Rose, I can certainly understand your frustration about having the bile inside. Dad has been extremely jaundice for about 6 weeks, with high bili levels & they simply aren’t doing anything. I too was worried about the excess of bile in his system, but per a recent correspondence (last week) with a Prof. of Medicine at UCSF, regarding biliary toxicity, it was indicated that the form of bilirubin that is accumulating in Dad’s circulation and is being excreted in the bile will predominantly be the so-called “direct” or “conjugated bilirubin”, which is not a toxic form of the pigment. The professor indicated that we should not worry about toxicity from the yellow pigment itself, as it is highly unlikely that the bile will cause any internal damage.
Even with a biliary cath that they claim is in perfect position & doing its job, Dad is the most yellow he’s ever been & they simply keep saying ‘we don’t know why’. Mom doesn’t want to be the squeaky wheel, & she hasn’t really pushed the issue too hard- insisting the docs know what they’re doing.
The waiting period is so long and hard. Did they give you a prescription for the itching? Its been suggested that SARNA cream is one of best over the counter for the itching. Dad’s itching, for whatever reason, has now subsided.
Per Dad’s experience, once the consult happens, the chemo started very shortly thereafter. But it still feels like forever between meetings.
I’m sorry that you’re in so much discomfort with the pain & itching. I know Dad had to have his pain meds changed because they weren’t working properly. It may be worth calling the office back & voicing your concerns about these conditions.
You’re in our thoughts Rose!
-Tess
tessMemberHi Freddy, I am very sorry to hear about what you’re going through, your Mom is very lucky to a son with so much love & concern.
In searching the website, I see a link to major CA cancer centers….
http://www.cholangiocarcinoma.org/majorcancercenters.htmYou and your family are in our thoughts & prayers Freddy.
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TesstessMemberHello Rose, I’m sorry to hear about your pain & life is harder in every way when you can’t sleep to replenish yourself. My Dad has been complaining of the pain in his ab region since before his cc diagnosis… it is in part what sent him to the docs in Nov. It has not gone away in his case, and some days are worse than others. While he fought taking pain pills for awhile, he now finds they give him significant relief (hydrocodone-apap 10-323 … 2 every 4 hours as need be). Heartburn & gas are also key issues for Dad. He has a biliary catheter in place, to divert the bile, instead of the standard stent. His bilirubin levels fluctuate between ~2 & ~18; it’s back up this week, with no explanation- as the doctors claim the cath is doing it’s job. We’ve talked about it many times, and it’s still not really clear if the pain might be coming from the cath, the tumor, the gas, or perhaps the newly diagnosed hernia. Docs simply aren’t sure. He has had the cath changed out a couple times, because he needed a larger one & will eventually receive his radiation via this cath (brachytherpy). Dad takes the Milk of Magnesia for the constipation & Mylanta or Malox for gas/ indigestion – which docs claim to be par for the course.
You know you can always come here to complain, vent, question, or whatever the day calls for!
-Tess
tessMemberHello Marion & Elaine, good morning to you! Yes, Marion- It is true of Dad’s most likely reaction & if it were anyone else, Dad would smile right along with us- he’s still not lost his humor! And Elaine, two of the bros are transplants to your new region, but the third bro is down in Myrtle for a week of golf… but it may turn out to be a few days of pub hopping- given the conditions!
Thanks again for sharing the details of Gary’s story. The hernia connection to the surgery makes sense. I am still confused about what is actually leaking, while it sounds like bile (green/yellow)- it also sounds like it’s being described as a pancreas leak. Dad has a biliary catheter that is used to divert his bile & if it’s capped off, on the external tubing, it goes back into his system, but if the bag is attached it will flow right out into the bag. This tubing was the source of infection that led to Dad going septic in Dec. That’s interesting that bilirubin levels have never been discussed with Gary, though a nurse explained to us that the bilirubin level is indicative of a level of disease of the liver. Dad too is always cold, I don’t think I’d recognize him these days without his heated blanket …. when he gets the chills/shakes, he wraps it right around his head- to try and warm up, also slight stomach upset, extreme fatigue, & almost total loss of appetite.
Regarding your question about the oxaliplatin not working once you resume it, per an article I found online… “Therefore, the present study investigated the use of oxaliplatin discontinuation and reintroduction in a novel stop-and-go strategy, OPTIMOX1.”, from the American Society of Clinical Oncology. The author’s e-mail is there and it may be worth dropping him a line of inquiry…..
Source: http://jco.ascopubs.org/cgi/content/full/24/3/394Regarding the lack of appetite with chemo…. While Dad is eating like a bird these days, we’ve also found that he has reverted back to earlier years in his request for food/drink. He sent us on a goose chase for butterscotch tasty cakes & Petri sugar cookies with raisins (which they quit making years ago- per Stroehmanns), and a orange juice/lemonade cocktail (which he’s not requested in Mom & Dad’s 40 yrs. together) – but claims to have enjoyed as a child. I ran into a gentleman around Dad’s age in the local grocery & told him of my quest for the tasty cakes & he said that those cakes were always a treat when the boys were younger & were definitely reminiscent of happy go lucky childhood days, the cakes are nostolgic for guys that age- he explained. The prescription appetite stimulants have not done much to stimulate his appetite & his key food group these days consist of ice cream floats & shakes. Another element of nostalgia that we’ve seen in Dad is his desire to purchase 50-70’s music. As he’s home all day now in front of the TV, I can’t believe the impact these infomercials are having on him- he sent me out for nose/ear clippers last week & insisted that I get the one with the little light & mini razor (we all know where he saw this one). If you can imagine, we found it at TJ Max in Vestal!
As an aside Elaine, specific to your old NY territory, we tried to go to dinner at Binghamton’s Kampai last night & the little guy was scared off by the sushi chef at the next table so we left, ended up at McDonalds on the parkway- a far cry from the mouth watering tempura….. FYI, they’ve removed the great playland at the golden arches in Vestal & replaced it with high end, georgous HGTV inspired glass tiles. The new room is a Starbucks replica with high-bar seating, and totally not child-friendly…. they appear to be catering to a new customer base these days.
You guys hang in there too…. many hugs coming your way!
Tess
tessMemberAs always, thanks for your insights Marion. The challenge that we’re up against is that the docs are not doing anything about the bile leak or extreme jaundice, since it doesn’t appear to be causing Dad any discomfort at this point & because they don’t know what to do & can’t explain the catalyst. The oncologist & surgeon (handling the position/changing of the biliary cath) are both adamant that the biliary cath is in place as it should be (i.e. they’re alluded to the fact that this is all they can do- as its’ been an issue for at least 6 weeks, & getting increasingly worse & they’re not doing anything).
I was worried about the excess of bile in his system, but per a recent correspondence with a Prof. of Medicine at UCSF, regarding biliary toxicity, it was suggested that the form of bilirubin that is accumulating in Dad’s circulation and is being excreted in the bile will predominantly be the so-called “direct” or “conjugated bilirubin”, which is not a toxic form of the pigment. The professor indicated that we should not worry about toxicity from the yellow pigment itself, as it is highly unlikely that the bile will cause any internal damage. So I dropped the talks with Mom, to push the docs for more answers, since she wasn’t getting anywhere. I’m afraid Dad might pass out cold if we suggested they insert another drain, as this has been the major source of discomfort for him since day one!
One day at a time…. Please keep him in your thoughts.
Best,
TesstessMemberHello Rose and thank you for sharing your ‘Dancing with Cancer’ website. You have an amazing energy and spirit, we can feel it right through the board! I am happy that you have found this cc crew. In my experience here, they are a wealth of information; a place to get answers, share the experiences of the day, or vent out fear & frustration. The story of your symptoms sound so much like my Dad’s, he was diagnosed in Nov. 08.
You’re in our thoughts Rose….
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TesstessMemberHello there my neighbor down the road, it’s Tess from your old NY stomping grounds! I wanted to say hello & let you know that you and Gary continue to be in our thoughts. You still feel like a neighbor, in that all 3 of my brothers are together in Myrtle Beach this week!
Those are excellent CA-19 number drops for Gary. Dad’s dropped from 26,000+ to 6,000 & are back up to 9,000+ this week. The docs say that this is one of several diagnostic tools & that while the scans aren’t showing growth of the tumor, the rise in CA-19 numbers & rise in bilirubin level (back up to 16+), are outweighing the positive results from the scan, in terms of the ‘big picture’.
We don’t have any experience with the oxaliplatin, but I do know that the docs have decided this week to change Dad’s chemo from Gemzar to 5FU & that he did have to take time off with the Gemzar for various regions between Nov & Feb. (e.g. infection, blood work readings, etc.).
I have a question for you that I hope you can assist me with. Dad is very jaundice & has high bilirubin levels & continues to leak bile out his pics. The docs can’t explain it, as they say the biliary cath (diverting the bile) is in perfect position. They’ve also said this week that Dad has a hernia. Could there be a connection between the hernias & a bile duct leak? Can you tell me more about the bile duct leak?
Thanks so much.
Sending hugs….
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